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MAGA Is Increasingly Convinced the Trump Assassination Attempt Was Staged (www.wired.com)
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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Some of the president’s biggest supporters are now claiming, without evidence

Something that will surely be ignored here.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What are you suggesting? Because that line asserts "without evidence", you're unwilling to accept that the official story isn't honest?

You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist, you don't need to invent new scenarios that need to evidence, just examine the official narrative and ask yourself if the holes are small enough to ignore?

  1. The shooter fired from a roof that was outside the Secret Service security perimeter. Reuters reported that Crooks fired from a rooftop that had been left outside the Secret Service perimeter, and former officials described that as a major omission. Reuters also reported that neither Secret Service nor local police had secured that roof.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16

  1. Responsibility for the AGR complex was blurred between Secret Service, state police, and local law enforcement. The House task force found that officers were posted along the fence line near the AGR complex to prevent foot traffic, but they were not tasked with watching the AGR complex or roof itself. The same report says the Secret Service was “overly reliant” on state and local representations regarding security at the AGR complex.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. There was no true unified command post. The House report says a unified command post would have allowed faster real-time updates among security partners. Instead, key information was relayed indirectly, including by phone, which slowed dissemination in the critical minutes before the shooting.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. Different agencies were operating on different radio systems and information was not flowing cleanly. The task force found that multiple law-enforcement entities were operating on different radio frequencies, and that the lack of local law-enforcement representation in the Security Room increased the chance that essential information would be delayed or lost. AP likewise reported communication breakdowns with local law enforcement as a central failure.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

  1. The counter-unmanned aircraft system was down for most of the day. The House report states that the C-UAS system remained nonoperational through most of the day and was only successfully activated at about 4:33 p.m. The report also found that not all relevant advance and supervisory agents were informed it was down.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. The shooter flew a drone over the area despite the anti-drone capability gap. The task force concluded the C-UAS failure mattered because Crooks flew a drone near the rally site that afternoon while the system meant to detect or mitigate such activity was not operational. That is one of the clearest documented capability gaps in the record.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. Line-of-sight concerns from the AGR area were known in advance. The House report says line-of-sight concerns were discussed repeatedly during the week before the event. It specifically describes proposed mitigations including Penske trucks, equipment, banners, flags, and tractors to block vulnerable sight lines from the AGR area.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. Even though line-of-sight concerns were repeatedly discussed, the vulnerable area was not effectively neutralized. The same House report shows there was confusion about who was actually responsible for making sure those mitigation measures were set correctly. That matters because it shifts this from “unknown blind spot” to “known concern with muddled ownership.”

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. Law enforcement noticed a suspicious person well before the shooting. AP reported that officers became concerned about Crooks before the shooting, and the House report says that by 5:52 p.m., almost 20 minutes before the first shots, at least nine Secret Service personnel were aware of a suspicious person near the AGR complex.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

  1. The suspicious-person information was not broadly shared inside the Secret Service. The House report says that in four separate instances where Secret Service personnel were alerted to a suspicious person near the AGR complex, each individual failed to share the information broadly. It says the information was only broadly shared by counter-sniper personnel shortly before shots were fired.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. The suspect had been seen with a rangefinder before the attack. The House report includes witness testimony describing Crooks using a rangefinder. It also says that by 5:52 p.m. personnel were aware of a suspicious person who had previously been seen with one. AP also reported that people at the rally and law enforcement flagged him before the shooting.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

  1. Warnings from bystanders and local officers did not produce a fast enough protective response. AP’s reconstruction describes a chain of missed chances in which Crooks was seen acting suspiciously, was reported, and still managed to reach the roof and fire. The House report similarly says crucial information did not reliably reach all necessary personnel in time for informed protective decisions.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

  1. Even when updates were being passed, critical details did not reliably reach decision-makers in the Security Room. The House report gives a specific example: one official said he “never heard man on a roof,” even though others believed roof-related information had been relayed. That is a concrete documented disconnect, not a vague criticism.

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

  1. The failure pattern was not just one bad call, but a stack of compounding failures. Public reporting and official reviews point to the same cluster: unsecured roof, ambiguous responsibility, fragmented communications, lack of unified command, line-of-sight concerns known in advance, suspicious-person sightings not escalated effectively, and a degraded anti-drone capability. That does not prove conspiracy, but it does establish a dense factual basis for “the system was full of exploitable holes.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/secret-service-report-details-communication-failures-preceding-july-assassination-attempt-on-trump

https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf

Is it really just a series of incompetent actions and a kid conveniently planning his execution attempt to line up with all the incompetence? It's possible, certainly. Are there other more likely explanations?

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Literally none of that proves any kind of premeditated conspiracy. The fact that the shooter was Republican and that Trump couldn't use it to his political advantage makes it clear.

You just want to believe that because it's more interesting than reality.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I didn't say it proved a conspiracy theory, I'm saying completely disregarding the possibility is unwise.

We have plenty of examples of decades of government narratives being pushed hard and people being ridiculed for pointing out irregularities, only to later learn the government was either involved or completely responsible.

Don't just jump up defend them because it feels good that they're super incompetent.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

We have plenty of examples of decades of government narratives being pushed hard and people being ridiculed for pointing out irregularities, only to later learn the government was either involved or completely responsible.

MLK Jr comes to mind.

[–] quarkquasar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

#9, along with Trump popping right up for a quick photo-op immediately afterwards told me all I needed to know about the situation.

Either it was all known about before-hand, or trump's SS is extremely incompetent.

[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

"Without evidence" has never stopped them before.

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Perhaps they are on to something? Cue up suspenseful vintage radio theater music.