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Yeah for the diesel/petrol/gasoline ones they've excluded energy wastage at the extraction point (eg if they have a flare), moving the oil to the oil refinery (from wherever in the world it came from), during the refining process (definitely a lot of energy used there), transporting the end product to wherever the filling station is, and finally pumping it into the vehicle.
But they included all the comparable costs for electricity. They wanted fossil fuels to look as good as possible. I'm extremely skeptical about data that suggests air travel is efficient when people have been talking for years about how wasteful and environmentally damaging it is.
For long travel, like intercontinental level distances, it probably is pretty efficient with a full plane. I've always understood that the waste and environmental damages are more from a combination of the use of private planes, and short routes that really ought to be train trips with the infrastructure to make them a preferable option to flying.
For example, if I suddenly found out that I needed to get from NYC to Boston by midnight tonight, without using a car, it should be a no-brainer to take Amtrak up there. Yet, even with fuel costs for airlines being quite high right now, there are exactly 4 trains leaving Penn Station for Boston that are cheaper than just catching a flight from JFK, and in the best of cases, they take about 4 times as long to cover that distance. It should really be significantly cheaper than flying in order to deter the majority, if not all of those people who do not expressly need to make that trip in just over an hour, for whatever reason, from taking those sorts of flights. Cheap enough that flying simply isn't price competitive, and that people don't mind the extra travel time.