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What's the proper way to install every-day CLI tools on immutable distributions like Fedora Bluefin? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 day ago by versionc@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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I've read that containers are preferred for development, but they aren't persistent and it doesn't seem like files such as /etc/fstab can be accessed through them when running distrobox (I enjoy editing such files using vim).

It's also a bit annoying having to enter a specific container to run something like btop.

Are you supposed to layer them with rpm-ostree?

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[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

To be honest. Immutable distros are not for everyone. Tinkerers especially would not be suited to use them, because of all the "restrictions" in place.

Better to find another distro in that case.

[–] j0rge@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

Just about everyone who has made meaningful contributions to Bluefin are tinkerers. The entire stack is designed to tinker and customize.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure.

I'm a professional tinkerer and I run Debian stable. OK ok it's not an immutable distro but my point is that I do tinker, just NOT with my main OS.

I'll tinker in containers, in VMs, in my ~/bin etc but NOT in what hosts all that.

So I would argue that what's important for tinkerers is to establish clear boundaries on what they want to tinker on and what they do NOT want to tinker on, what can change vs what should never.

[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

But a simple thing like "install a random cli tool to run on host" is often not easy on immutable distros, so it's usually just more convinient with an oldschool distro in those cases.

[–] j0rge@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

It's one command in Bluefin, same as everything else.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it actually is. It's only like that the very first time when you haven't you this specific distribution itself. Once you know how the few extra step and understand the core principle, it's trivial.

PS: I did tinker with NixOS, SteamOS and ROCKNIX.

[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. But you have to figure that out first.

I'm just saying. It's not for everyone. I feel too limited when trying immutable stuff, so I stick with my classic. 😀

[–] TaintTaul@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I feel too limited when trying immutable stuff

Is this rooted in experience? Or mostly just on vibes?

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 hours ago

Seems anything you have to “figure out first” is no beuno.