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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

That's the real war right now. Corporations versus governments.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Friend, the governments are almost entirely on the side of the corporations. The only war is class war - the rich against the rest of us.

[–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

From a global perspective, lower class Americans fit the criteria for being rich. The true conflict is between 1st world countries and the global poor.

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You're incorrect.

Wealth is not how much passes through your fingers.

It's how much you get to keep.

Slavery is not being denied the ability to earn. It is being denied the ability to save.

Lower-class people in the United States may in fact have quite a bit of money passing through their fingers at any given moment, but the way that financial systems are structured in the United States, those people are not beneficiaries of those funds, but merely vessels from which each and every cent must be extracted. No money is left at the end of the month, after rents, health insurance, transportation, the absurd costs of food, et cetera.

No, on the contrary, these people do NOT fit the criteria for being rich. They lack ownership of everything, and are paid a wage that is intentionally set lower than their actual living expenses. The fact that their wages may be deceptively high is LITERALLY a sign of deception and not in fact a sign that they get to keep any of that money.

The war is ABSOLUTELY between the wealthy and the poor within each country.

It is pretty freakin laughable to claim that the wealthy in the United States and the poor in the United States are on the same side of this conflict. The poor in the United States are the most direct victims of exploitation by the wealthy in the United States(and not to say that the poor in other countries are not also extremely exploited, but the poor in the United States are the ones the wealthy in the United States have direct knowledge of inflicting pain upon).

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That’s for sure true, but even America’s middle class has more in common with the global poor than they do with the billionaires. Resistance must be carried out everywhere, even and maybe especially in America.

[–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

While you're correct, the cumulative effect of lower class and middle class Americans on 3rd world peoples dwarfs that of the upper class. It takes a lot of time and resources to maintain the lifestyle of a single person working 40 hours at McDonald's.

His consumer products were made in 3rd world factories polluting their local environments and the coffee he's drinking was bought for less than a dollar a kilogram from a farmer destroying a priceless rainforest. When this impact is multiplied by three-hundred million, the effects are as dramatic as they are unsustainable.

...I try not to think about it. It's a conflict between guilt and gratitude.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

It's a shitty situation where we're both correct. The only thing to assuage that guilt is to try to use our privilege to bring down the system.

[–] e461h@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

Governments are complicit