Lefty Memes
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of "ML" (read: Dengist) influence. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
Serious posts, news, discussion and agitprop/stuff that's better fit for a poster than a meme go in c/Socialism.
If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.
Please don't forget to help keep this community clean by reporting rule violations, updooting good contributions and downdooting those of low quality!
Rules
0. Only post socialist memes
That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme. Please post agitprop here)
0.5 [Provisional Rule] Use alt text or image descriptions to allow greater accessibility
(Please take a look at our wiki page for the guidelines on how to actually write alternative text!)
We require alternative text (from now referred to as "alt text") to be added to all posts/comments containing media, such as images, animated GIFs, videos, audio files, and custom emojis.
EDIT: For files you share in the comments, a simple summary should be enough if they’re too complex.
We are committed to social equity and to reducing barriers of entry, including (digital) communication and culture. It takes each of us only a few moments to make a whole world of content (more) accessible to a bunch of folks.
When alt text is absent, a reminder will be issued. If you don't add the missing alt text within 48 hours, the post will be removed. No hard feelings.
0.5.1 Style tip about abbreviations and short forms
When writing stuff like "lol" and "iirc", it's a good idea to try and replace those with their all caps counterpart
- ofc => OFC
- af = AF
- ok => OK
- lol => LOL
- bc => BC
- bs => BS
- iirc => IIRC
- cia => CIA
- nato => Nato (you don't spell it when talking, right?)
- usa => USA
- prc => PRC
- etc.
Why? Because otherwise (AFAIK), screen readers will try to read them out as actually words instead of spelling them
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such
That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" (read: Dengists) (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Mantic Minotaur" when answering question 2)
6. Don't irrationally idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
- Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
- Ableism
- Classism
- Sexual assault
- Genocide/ethnic cleansing or (mass) deportations
- Fascism
- (National) chauvinism
- Orientalism
- Colonialism or Imperialism (and their neo- counterparts)
- Zionism
- Religious fundamentalism of any kind
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Again, I'm not claiming to agree with the post. My point was that simply because you are not from the country doesn't mean that you shouldn't have discourse about the conflict there. I think this whole comment section is a chance to educate people about a topic most people normally only get highly biased takes over, even if it the topic is originally broached via a mischaracterization.
That's a gross oversimplification that completely glosses over the Soviet s role in shaping North Korea. Yes, American intervention in the South is markedly worse. However, that doesn't negate the fact that the Soviet union did not allow the North to govern itself independently, and that has led to the Kim family purging some of the greatest minds in modern Korean history. The Soviet Union and America both agreed in 1945 to split responsibility of the nation in two, and they both ignorantly installed leaders based solely on their estimation on who would be most easily controlled.
Right, but talking about a country does not mean you're advocating for a foreign intervention. Your argument is based on an idea that discourse always has negative outcomes, and I just don't think that holds much weight. Nothing in anything I've stated has supported foreign intervention, none of your arguments are aimed at anything I've been saying.
You didn't make an anti-imperialist stance. You stated people not from the country in question have a right to speak about it. I'm completely fine with smearing an anti-imperialist stance. By ending discourse you end the conversation before people can actually rebute the imperialism, or even explain the negative outcomes of foreign intervention.
The current problems in North Korea can also be easily be traced back to the Soviets role in empowering Kim il sung instead of Pak Hon-yong, or any other of the founders of the Korean Communist party.
Kinda sounds like a white person telling a Korean person what's best for Korea.....not chauvinist at all...
I can advocate against American imperialism and offer critical support to a country that is also a victim of foreign meddling by a former global power exerting its control upon my own people. What I won't do is listen to some virtue signaling white preach at me, when it's clear they don't even care to actually learn the history of my people.
You're boxing ghosts, if you live in the imperial territories, your only possibility to change things is inside those imperial territories. I grew up in the United States which Jose Marti referred to as the belly of the beast. I am speaking from my own perspective as a white American. We do not have the right to dictate Korean people or Korean politics.
What many white Americans and other privileged people of the imperial territories pass of as critique is really white chauvinism in disguise, not seriously attempting to understand the systems or people that their empire is trying to crush. I've done my best to try and educate myself on Korean history and politics as I can as an outsider, but I don't think it's relevant to the ultimate and final point that those living in the imperial territories should advocate against their empire at all costs.
You can browbeat me all you want if you'd like, but it doesn't mean anything because I know the following principles are true
I'm not saying that you shouldn't seriously engage and discuss this stuff. I think if it's relevant to you and you would like to, why not? But obviously weirdo racist shit, like the posts that we're commenting under, is clearly not contributing to any greater understanding of Korean politics and instead seeks to demonize an entire society, which at the end of the day makes American intervention easier.
You are again framing this as if I am attempting to dictate how other countries are governed. Educating people about other countries and how western imperialism has affected them throughout history has nothing to do with that.
And westerners who are only critical of history through the lens of a campist perspective are also a form of white chauvinism. The Soviet Union was a white European state that interjected itself onto Korean history as well. Just because they were not as bad as the US does not give them a free pass to unlimited uncritical support.
You are again ignoring the fact that I never said you shouldnt be critical of the post, I am critical of the post. I am rejecting how you critiqued the post.
You did several times.......
If you would have just originally posted this, I wouldn't have any issues with it.