Flippanarchy
Flippant Anarchism. A lighter take on social criticism with the aim of agitation.
Post humorous takes on capitalism and the states which prop it up. Memes, shitposting, screenshots of humorous good takes, discussions making fun of some reactionary online, it all works.
This community is anarchist-flavored. Reactionary takes won't be tolerated.
Don't take yourselves too seriously. Serious posts go to !anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Absolutely no right-wing jokes. This includes "Anarcho"-Capitalist concepts.
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Absolutely no redfash jokes. This includes anything that props up the capitalist ruling classes pretending to be communists.
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No bigotry whatsoever. See instance rules.
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This is an anarchist comm. You don't have to be an anarchist to post, but you should at least understand what anarchism actually is. We're not here to educate you.
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No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from the above point but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can't control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.
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I get the sentiment but this is called an appeal to fiction. It really isn't sound logic
“Appeal to fiction” is not an argument fallacy when the discussion is about IRL events, even if using fictional stories as a tool. Appeals to fiction are about written fictional stories and the events within them.
That said,
Making the choice that your fictional heroes are the ones fighting an obviously bad opponent yet in real life deciding to support an antagonist that is directly relatable to the fictional ones really is mental gymnastics and hypocritical.
Unless they secretly side with the Empire and just lie to everyone that their hero is on the Rebel side.
Right. Forming a decision or reaching a conclusion about real-life events while basing and/or relating part of that assessment on similar fictional events, is the appeal to fiction. Fiction and non-fiction are fundamentally separate, and needs be considered separately. That distinction is important especially when making comparisons.
The lack of nuance, openness to interpretation and fundamental disconnect which an appeal to fiction inherently carries with it is a large part of what you're describing in the second part of your reply. (IE right-wing "blue pillers" with its relation to The Matrix)
People naturally desire and seek out narratives which align with their views or beliefs. This also makes it entirely too easy for them to mold or fracture parts of fictional themes to fit those beliefs while discarding parts that don't: Writers be damned. It isn't JUST intellectual dishonestly that you are observing here, as convenient as that conclusion would be. This is a basic part of human nature. It will happen every time. I promise you that right wingers are sharing this exact meme and making the same statements about us.
The classic court room example of this would be when an attorney argued that a FED, CIA, or LEO's actions were justified because they closely resembled or even exactly mirrored the actions taken by Jack Bauer in the TV series 24. Even if the events, character, and outcomes of these two scenarios (fiction vs non-fiction) were literally identical in every conceivable way: It would not then be rational, relevant, appropriate nor admissible in any way for the attorney to then pose to the jury that, "When Jack Bauer did this, you clearly understood the necessity and moral justification. But you're refusing to see it in the reality of what our Officer did" - To relate as closely as I can to the meme above.
Parable, metaphor and simile can often serve as convenient didactic tools when introducing complex messages to the otherwise uninformed. Like a professor using a cheeky pop-culture reference in the opening slide of a presentation. It's a very imperfect tool; useful, perhaps, as a narrative hook. The important divergence here is that this brief messaging then leads into the real and nuanced discussion about non-fiction or fiction and where they relate separately without conflating the two.
This is something which brief, easily sharable memes and political cartoons don't do by their nature, leaving only the fallacy.
You can’t force something that doesn’t exist.
An appeal to fiction is about writing and plot choices within a fictional story.
That’s a lot of words you wasted.
This is a public forum. My last post was written primarily for clarification and to provide more accurate information to future readers. I would not bother replying to misinformation if these messages were strictly private.
It's okay to disagree with someone. It's even understandable when some people want to feel 100% correct about something by endlessly playing semantics. I've seen more than my fair share of this behavior. This is nothing new to me.
However, while I can tolerate someone who is simply trying to be pedantic, I will not engage with someone acting in bad faith.
Goodbye, and thank you for providing these opportunities for me to elucidate. "~~That's~~ Those were ~~a lot of~~ many words ~~you wasted~~ well spent." :)