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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 13 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Culture is very much tied to race and where those people came from. It still happens now. It should be obvious without explanation. It’s not at all difficult to find stories about black students sent home from school because their hair is “not ok.”

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

It’s tied but it’s different. A lot of third+ generation immigrants have the same customs as locals, and you wouldn’t tell them apart if not for physical traits, for example.

It’s also weird how stuff that used to be shamed about turned to reasons of pride. We (as in, non-racist people) realized shaming people for their hair is stupid, why would being proud of it not be just as stupid?

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

It’s not weird at all. If one race has systematically tried to beat you down throughout history and convince you that your race and culture are inferior, there’s all the reason in the world to reclaim respect for all that your people almost lost, and tell that race to fuck off if they don’t like it, and be proud of it. Gay pride isn’t race based, but it’s definitely a similar thing from a different direction. It sounds like you need to spend significant time sitting and talking with people of cultures that have been through it.

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's different though, the point of gay pride is recognising that your value in society and your person ought to be respected, against a larger imposing force or hivemind so to speak, just like black pride, etc, and valuing your open expression of pride, closeted queers could just as easily argue that being in the closet is about valuing your own person on an internal level rather than how others may expect you to express yourself - ie, you may value yourself in a way different from how society does. Just like how some sex workers view themselves as tools, not sex toys but rather as healers and value themselves as such, once you dig deep down on all this, you'll realise that gay pride is as much a "reaction" of the person to society as being closeted would be, one is preferable to individualist cultures, the other is more conformist, either way you pick your poison.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seriously, I said similar from a different direction, not the same.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lying about who you are is not psychologically healthy and should not be praised or encouraged.

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

That's not the point of the comment I made nor is it really a response that actually addresses the point I made, would you like to try again?

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