I feel like the problem with 8 was how ham-fisted it was. Like, I get wanting to break the norms, go a different direction, and not rely on nostalgia to direct your story. But maybe taking what everyone loved from the first movies, going "actually all this stuff you loved is SHIT and you were stupid for ever liking it" and then literally burning it all in front of everyone was the wrong way to go about that.

It felt like the writer held some deep seeded hatred for Star Wars and its fans, and went out of their way to make that known.

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

It's not saying "you are stupid for ever liking it", but a lot of old star wars fans are taking it that way. Not everything is a personal attack.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The person you’re referring to is JJ Abrams. JJ Abrams thinks he knows everything about movies and doesn’t need to know anything about the source material, it’s a fairly well documented fact that he was neither a Star Trek fan nor a Star Wars fan before making either movies. I have so many problems with JJ Abrams going all the way back to Lost and I don’t think I will ever forgive him for ruining two of my favorite franchises and TV storytelling for the time being.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The writer of 8 was Rian Johnson. He threw away everything JJ blindly set up in 7, then JJ came back for 9 and tried to revert what 8 did. JJ has his own issues like you say, but the reason people hate 8 is Rian Johnson.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

JJ was the executive producer of 8 so I think we can probably blame both of them.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

They both walked back everything the previous movie did, I don't know why you're insisting that Abrams was involved in the writing for 8. Abrams' position as executive producer on 8 doesn't mean what you think it means, he only gets that credit because he did the movie before that as part of the franchise, it's not always an active role.

[–] aGlassDarkly@piefed.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought this was the one he didn’t do.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

On 8? He was the executive producer.

[–] aGlassDarkly@piefed.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Admittedly, I’ve never actually known what an executive producer does.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they are supposed to represent the money but that usually gives them more power than they are supposed to have.

For instance, quite famously in The Matrix executive meddling is the reason that humans are batteries and not augmentations to the machine’s computing power. Which is why there are some things that don’t make quite as much sense until you realize that everybody still in the matrix is supposed to be having most of their brain power used elsewhere.

[–] aGlassDarkly@piefed.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

With this context, your initial comment now makes complete sense to me. Thanks for explaining.

[–] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

What were the things you liked they shit on?