What is This Group is About?
De Quoi Parle ce Groupe?
The unofficial non-partisan Lemmy movement to bring proportional representation to all levels of government in Canada.
🗳️Voters deserve more choice and accountability from all politicians.
Le mouvement non officiel et non partisan de Lemmy visant à introduire la représentation proportionnelle à tous les niveaux de gouvernement au Canada.
🗳️Les électeurs méritent davantage de choix et de responsabilité de la part de tous les politiciens.
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We're looking for more moderators, especially those who are of French and indigenous identities.
Politiques de modération de contenu
Nous recherchons davantage de modérateurs, notamment ceux qui sont d'identité française et autochtone.
We won't be united on democracy until we adopt a system that ensures governments reflect a broad majority consensus.
I don't follow what you wrote, right now, we don't have proportional representation. Do you mean without?
Also, the current elected official in my district never visited my area, not even sure they ever lived here.
What is the logic behind this? Are you just inventing stuff?
Do you mean the billionaires?
Right now, every district throws away the vote of more than half of the voters. To the point of making some people not even believing in democracy and casting a vote.
There are plenty of groups being ignored and disenfranchised, right now.
Ford was elected in Ontario by less than 20% of the voters. The rest does not have a say. The same goes to other parties, like in BC and federal government.
Something like 90% of Canadians live with 2 hours of the US border, so you could in principle get a 90% majority government even if everyone living +2 hours away voted against you. That wouldn't be possible with the current system. Our current system allows people in northern areas to still have a say, even though they only make up a small fraction of Canadians. Things like this are the reason why the current system was designed the way it was.
First-past-the-post was chosen to water down democracy to serve the elites as it’s incredibly confusing on how it works ie strategic voting.
How is that not possible with the current system? Where are you getting those figures?
Right now, you have a majority with only 20% of voters, 80% of the people are not getting heard it does not matter where they live. This is an edge case of Ontario, but as OP said the figure does not get much better across Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallagher_index#Canada
The only thing that proportional representation tries to do is matching the votes with number of the seats without discarding votes. With proportional representation, if enough people vote for you, you get a seat, that is it. They don't throw those votes away. Right now, it does not matter how many votes you get, if you get 15k votes, and the other candidate gets 15k+1. You have 15k voices silenced.
Are you mistaking proportional representation with something else? Or just being intentionally malicious?
Giving your preference for disenfranchising 80% of voters, I bet it is the second.
No, it was not. Alberta used to have proportional representation, the reason they ended it is that the party in power thought they could stay in power for longer, but it backfired, and they lost to another party some elections later. (it seems that Manitoba and BC had similar stories with PR).
The current system was not designed the way it was for those reasons you are pulling out of a hat. It was just so the parties in power could have better control on who vote so they hold it for longer.
Compare a map of the ridings in a federal election to a population map and you’ll see that the ridings are distributed much more evenly.
I am going to end this conversation here because you seem to lack a basic understanding of how our current system works and are coming off as excessively hostile. Like I said in my original comment I’m not even trying to argue against proportional representation
No, don't blame your shortcomings on me.
You invent correlation and pass it as universal truth with no backings.
Just asked you to show data and facts, you took things out of a hat and are playing victim.
this was exactly in your first message. don't play coy now.
you post something, don't want to clarify and don't want to be corrected.
I don’t even need to guess what kind of person you are IRL.