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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 31 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Probably an unpopular opinion but this is to offset a federal fuel tax they aren’t getting since it’s an EV. It could be calculated better based on miles but that opens up a privacy issue.

My solution is due away with all fuel taxes and tax tires. They have a know wear rate based on miles, and don’t have any privacy issues like location tracking.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 points 33 minutes ago

How many miles to pay $130 in federal taxes?

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I heard that some countries charge a vehicle tax based on the weight of the vehicle. Some based on the number of cylinders.

One of the problems with removing the fuel tax is that affluent people will be able to avoid the additional registration tax by registering their vehicle in another state, such as where their summer home is. Having a gas tax allows taxes to go where the fuel is purchased and indirectly where the vehicle is using the roads. This doesn't work for electric vehicles.

I'm surprised no politician suggested toll booths all over.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Rich people with summer homes in another state are likely not a major percentage of drivers, I'm guessing.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 2 points 33 minutes ago

You don't have to be rich to register your vehicle in Montanna. It happens all the time in California to avoid smog and taxes.

Also, just because the rich are a small percentage of the population obviously doesn't mean they should be taxed less, that's a wild statement.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Seeing as one truck does the damage of 10,000 cars on the roads, personal vehicles should not be paying the lion's share of road money.

So it shouldn't matter the type of tire.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Those tires are much larger so you could just tax them more. Plus a pneumatic tire can only hold so much weight which is why they are 18 of them on a huge truck. Not to mention more load causes more wear on the tire so they go through them quicker. I mean it’s not perfect, lots of things affect tire wear like road surface, road smoothness, alignment, etc. Maybe you keep the diesel fuel taxes and just tax tires on passenger cars. Maybe give a tax break to small diesel cars to offset the double tax. Just brainstorming…

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

I think it's a good idea. It's more Progressive than what we have right now. The feds will never do it, some states could be forced to however. That is where the majority of these gas taxes come in at anyway.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Generally the wear on tires is proportional to the wear on roads, since both are effectively grinding against each other with grit as the grinding medium in between. It would be harder to find a more accurate way to measure an individual vehicle’s contribution to road wear, given that weight is such a large factor.

If you used mass surveillance to record exactly how many miles everyone drove and record exactly which vehicle model they were driving for each mile (to know the vehicle weight), you’d still miss out on the cargo factor. For transport trucks that’s the biggest factor, since an empty trailer weighs far less than a full one (and different types of goods have radically different densities).

Of course we already know how much transport trucks weigh and how many miles they drive, since transport trucks are required to go through weigh stations and drivers have to keep detailed logs of how many miles they drive (and hours they drive consecutively). The issue then comes down to consumers and other business vehicles (pickup trucks etc).

[–] FullPenguin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

None of this is accurate:

Generally the wear on tires is proportional to the wear on roads, since both are effectively grinding against each other with grit as the grinding medium in between. It would be harder to find a more accurate way to measure an individual vehicle’s contribution to road wear, given that weight is such a large factor.

Surface wear on roads from tire contact is not a concern, the damage is done due to a combination of compression cycles (the 4th power law) and weather. The 4th power law being that road wear is equal to the 4th power of the axel load.

Your tire wear rate is based on so many unique factors, with vehicle weight being a relatively minor one. Force of accel/decell/turning, suspension tuning, tread, rubber compound, road material, etc.

Your tire rubber is not grinding away the road surface. It's wild that I even have to say that.