Russia's response to our extremely obvious puppet state waging proxy war from right across their border is perfectly reasonable, if they overthrew Mexico and started sending people across the border to attack us we'd have fucking nuked them by now

You'd think Russia would have made a bigger deal of that if there were any truth to it at all, but they don't even mention it. They like to make claims about Nazis, they like to cry about NATO expanding after some of their neighbors watched them abuse some of their other neighbors, they downplay whether they're really in a genuine war or just a "special military operation", but they never claim Ukraine attacked them first.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You’d think Russia would have made a bigger deal of that if there were any truth to it at all, but they don’t even mention it

They did and do, you're a fucking joke

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip -3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

All I can find when I try to look into it is an AI overview claiming it with no source, but search is shit these days and heavily favors new news, so maybe you're right and they have technically at some point made the claim.

But let's look at what Putin had to say when the "special military operation" began:

“The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime,” Putin said in a televised address. “To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.”

Now he makes a lot of claims there, but they're not the point right now, so let's try to not get distracted. Let's focus on the part where he claims they attacked first because this is surely where he'd make that claim, right at the start when first trying to justify their actions, right? Except it isn't there. Because it's horse shit, and not even Putin can say it with a straight face.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It took me like 30 fucking seconds to find multiple articles specifically about Putin addressing the US backed coup, get good

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/whats-the-west-backed-coup-in-ukraine-in-2014-that-putin-is-talking-about-13930164.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/22/russias-putin-accuses-us-of-orchestrating-2014-coup-in-ukraine

https://www.trtworld.com/article/a7585ea546c5

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-us-ukraine-coup-organizing-russia-1602840

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/putin-calls-ukraine-war-a-consequence-of-2014-coup-not-invasion-at-sco-summit

https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/putin-obama-ukraine-facts/

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 hours ago

Good job, now do you think you could find something about the point we're actually talking about, or are you just rounding up reading material for yourself and wanted to share? Because here's what we're talking about, in your words, with some emphasis from me:

if they overthrew Mexico and started sending people across the border to attack us we'd have fucking nuked them by now

I already knew you would brand that a coup, so let's set that aside for a moment and talk about the part where you said Ukraine attacks Russia. Because that is what I wanted evidence of.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm seeing several paragraphs of bullshit and no source lol, try again

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 hours ago

I'd say my pile is just as big as yours, but to be totally fair, you did come up with a pile of completely irrelevant shit, so. You've got that going for you, at least.