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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Not sure what you think I'm trying to cope with. "Just cope" is another meaningless thought-stopper that people like you employ whenever they're faced with disagreement.

He's already addressed it. You expect him to keep beating a dead horse, just because you'll never let it die? And dwell on the thing with really bad optics during an election cycle? Instead of, you know, talking about the economic turmoil and the fascists in power and calling out those things and presenting people with his ideas for what to do about it?

But no, you just want to lock him into a cycle of performative virtue signaling because he'll never be redeemed in your eyes. Only idiots bend themselves into knots to please the people that will never forgive them or accept them.

You don't know how much soul-searching he's done or "actual consciousness" he has. You're just assuming that he hasn't, and no matter what he does you'll always insist on that.

And your insinuation that people not liking rap music is racist is kinda laughable. Nobody is morally obligated to listen to music that doesn't suit their tastes. Cope harder.

Everything is meaningless if your entire theory of action is vote blue no matter, so it's not surprising you think that saying Platner hasn't done the work is meaningless.

"Vote blue no matter who" is usually used as an argument to justify voting for establishment/corporatist/centrist/milquetoast Dems. Platner isn't any of those things, he's literally a progressive. And if you want to focus on this overblown issue to sabotage his campaign because you can't accept the fact that people make mistakes out of ignorance but are capable of learning and growing, then all you're left with is Susan Collins so you're pulling a lot of weight for the actual fascists.

And I say saying he hasn't done the work is meaningless because he clearly has, and I've seen that phrase weaponized against people who have done the work so many times that I'm just desensitized to it now.

Are you just jealous that a white guy is in the spotlight? Nothing's stopping more POCs from running for office, so why aren't they? Stop trying to trip up the few progressive candidates we have over some manufactured race war that the oligarchs created in order to divide the working class in the first place.

And unless you have a source for your last paragraph, I'm just going to assume that's blatant disinformation. Shame on you.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

LOL. Someone's not paying attention

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/30/us/politics/graham-platner-maine-senate-texts.html

Nothing's stopping more POCs from running for office, so why aren't they?

Tell me you haven't done the work without telling me you haven't done the work.

I've seen that phrase weaponized against people who have done the work so many times that I'm just desensitized to it now.

Tell me more about how hard it is to be white when people are constantly telling you that white people you support (or maybe even you yourself) aren't doing enough.

You don't know how much soul-searching he's done or "actual consciousness" he has. You're just assuming that he hasn't

I'm going based on his communications. I know people who are on the journey of recovering from white supremacist patriarchy and not only is Platner not showing evidence of having done the work, he's executing the classic "retreat to innocence" without a hint of self-awareness. I know former military who have done the work and I would vote for them. I know former neo-nazis who have done the work, but I wouldn't put them up for election because collective enforcement of norms and consequences for past behavior are critical social technologies.

He's already addressed it. You expect him to keep beating a dead horse, just because you'll never let it die? And dwell on the thing with really bad optics during an election cycle?

No. I expect him to actually do something with his journey that isn't immediately attempting to put himself into a position of power. I expect him to go work with troubled teen boys, work with skin heads in prison, work with veterans recovering from toxic masculinity, work with violent men to show them a path towards healing. It's part of doing the work. You don't just go to therapy, read some books, do some journaling, remove a tattoo, and then run for senate without doing ANY of the reparative work. That's not how any of this works.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The article you linked says the conduct stopped and they worked through it in counseling before the campaign ever started. If his wife has already forgiven him and still supports him, then that's a strong indication that he has in fact worked through it.

The rest of your comment just sounds worn-out and petulant, so I'm not even going to bother anymore. Honestly all you're doing is desensitizing me further. I don't care if you call me a white supremacist or any of that shit because you've shown that phrases like that are meaningless coming from you.

For the record, I'm not a white supremacist. I just don't care if you label me as one, because you're probably going to anyway.

Hopefully you'll see how self-destructive it is to cry wolf just to get your way, but I doubt it.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

For the record, I'm not a white supremacist.

Highly recommend you actually engage in some deeper anti-racism work in community with other white folk and accountability with some black folk.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'm not going to be a punching bag for you just because I was born ostensibly the same race as the people who committed atrocities two hundred years ago.

By the way, those people were mostly Anglo-Saxons, who did not view my ancestors (Irish, Welsh, and German) as being of the same race. My ancestors fled famine and persecution, lived in poor mining towns, and on the German side I even have a great-great-grandfather who immigrated specifically to join the Union Army during the civil war. None of them owned slaves. All my grandparents were working class, as are my parents, and as am I.

I don't owe you shit, and using my race to say that I do, is the definition of prejudice.

Also, stop assuming what I have or haven't done with my life. I'm not going to hand you a resumé just to earn your approval, because that would be performative and you would still dismiss it as "not doing the work." Also, like I said, I feel no compulsion to try to win your approval.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Also, stop assuming what I have or haven't done with my life

I don't really have to. You provide all the evidence yourself

I'm not going to hand you a resumé just to earn your approval, because that would be performative and you would still dismiss it as "not doing the work."

You don't have to give me a resume. Your words are all anyone needs to see.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I haven't provided you with any evidence, because this isn't a court room.

I've literally been arrested for my activism, you little turd. I don't go around announcing that because it's unnecessary and performative, like I said. And even if I do then people like you will still dismiss it and say I "haven't done the work." I've been through this song and dance before, and it's not worth my time to try to win your approval. Especially if you're only going to hold it out like a carrot on a string and then yoink it away every time I take a fall.

My entire life has been derailed, so I'll never be in a position where I can actually effect any change. This is the result of your petulant and petty campaign against every white person in the progressive space. Platner has a chance of winning office, so good on him for putting himself out there and subjecting himself to the scrutiny of being in the political spotlight.

But apparently you prefer Susan Collins, because that's what you're going to get if Platner doesn't win. If you want to impeach and convict trump, then we need to unseat as many maga loyalists in the senate as possible.

You're the exact same as those supposed "leftists" who trash Mamdani and call him a zionist, a fascist, or a corporate plant. You're making those words meaningless, which is carrying a lot of water for actual zionists, fascists, and corporatists. You're also disingenuous and incapable of arguing in good faith. No one is ever pure enough for you. You don't care about progress, you only want to inflame petty grievances. If you're not a right-wing agitator posing as a leftist, I'll eat my shoes.

You don't have to give me a resume. Your words are all anyone needs to see.

Fuck off. How are those words for you?