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Hi, I wanted to try Debian but i found out that its foundation relies heavily on systemd. I'm using a Lenovo Ideapad 500-15isk that's why I want to be away from systemd's bloat, I'm still not an advanced user but i had Ubuntu + KDE for 2 Years (GUI only) then used CachyOS + Hyprland(Caelestia shell) for 1.5 years ( Used Terminal more than GUI). This time I want to make the OS usage as low as possible but also not old/ugly. Thank you in advance.

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[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Devuan has the easy repos like Debian, it's a pretty straight forward fork, as is AntiX.

Void is great, but a bit more complicated, not LFS insane complicated but like Arch/Gentoo "Git good noob" complicated.

Really, any is good, and I'm looking at moving from Debian to AntiX.

Good choice, though...

Systemd is a mess, and the main guy is one of those obnoxious tech bro types who doesn't listen to anyone and slaps crap in for no reason aside from his own ego. Everyone should be moving away from it, for many reasons.

[–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The main issue is that nobody is able to come up with anything better. I use systemd because it made my job hugely easier and soved many problems. The main guy is an asshole but his work is good when you use it as he intended, which kind of is the point of open source.

If you don't like it you fork and do your own thing, until now nobody bothered, and this is telling.

Poettering did respectable work in snarky fields like audio and init nobody wanted to do something in and everybody complained about. I respect that despite he behaving like a spoiled asshole

[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 19 hours ago

I will admit things "just work" a lot better with systemd than it did fighting with configs under various init systems, but it's far too bloated and centralized.

Like how so many use flatpaks now, which has some great advantages like simple sandboxing and great fine control of permisions in a simple manner, but is has Flathub becoming an "app store" for Linux with all the issues that has elsewhere.

The more sstuff is consolidated, the more risk of one person fucking it all up.