You'll recall that much of the UK economy and political landscape mirrors and is deeply influenced by the US. Either way, just a few years ago, I'd get shit every time I said Canada was subordinated to the US even though, as we've seen, resistance against it is very easily appropriated by liberals (as in liberalism, not exclusively Liberals as in the party) as they actually do benefit from that subordination. The common capitalistic objectives and settler-colonial culture creates the same interests between them even if they are separate, which is why "Elbows Up" has just meant "funnel even more money into extractive industries the US benefits from."

That also isn't "our" official name, just Canada. You aren't part of it even if you think you are.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So you learnt that our official name is Dominion of Canada today, congrats.

Biden was way more annexy than Trump is. Trump is just our chance to escape, much like in his first term.

While we aren't currently a dominion, that's mostly because we weren't able to get out of NAFTA until Trudeau. We can still vote in UK elections with residency thanks to Canadian citizenship.

You'll recall the big CANZUK/EU pushes in Canada under the Obama regime. So don't act like this is anything new or that Canadians didn't want this whenever you had that opinion.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.ca 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Love that you're talking smug on this comment but ignored all the other ones where you're obviously wrong.

You fundamentally do not understand what you're talking about, imperialism is not accurately described through formal political alliances alone, even if what you described here represented that. I do very much remember the CANZUK/EU bs from a few years back, apparently better than you. It's been an idea that's kicked around for decades, but was popularized again in the mid-twenty tens in response to Brexit. Calling it "big" is graciously hyperbolic (it amounted to acknowledgement from colonial leaders and that's about it), but it certainly caught attention because it was an effective way to articulate the "Anglosphere" anxiety about being fractured and overpowered by local political and economic forces. Now, why do you think that would be relevant in someplace like Canada specifically? What local influence would Canadians be anxious about? It's worth noting that it was the PC Party (I honestly forgot about O'toole until seeing this term again) that was most energetic about it in Canada until quite recently, when it appeared in Liberal party leadership debates. Curious, I wonder what kind of anxiety would make it a topic at that level today and what that says about its purpose in this rhetoric. (Even if you want to pretend that it was a real popular movement of some sort, go look up what "appropriated" means and think about why this doesn't even address what I said)

Are you really going to suggest that the need to address a purported distance between these "culturally similar" countries was endorsed by neoliberal parties closely aligned with the US to signal that Canada is actually independent from US influence? CANZUK is a neoliberal and imperialist campaign that seeks to reassert some sort of common settler identity through formal agreements; it's tough to argue it's anything other than symbolic when the actual policy proposals are nonsensical and widely dismissed save for these brief moments of recognition. You have to lie about its importance to create the narrative that it was a sign of how Canadians were oppositional to the US, let alone whether popular discourses articulated this in terms of imperialistic subordination (they did not). It is also a deeply settler-colonial fantasy that believes shared "heritage" is somehow more relevant to the economics, politics, and culture of a settler-colonial state than its actual material conditions and lived history. Gee, I wonder whether there's some sort of shared material interests and white, english-speaking, settler-colonial histories among any states in North America.

At this very moment you are acting as though Canada is not subordinated to the US while trying to act like Canadians widely recognized that subordination before the current tensions. I don't think you really understand what you're saying.

Also, stop saying "we;" you aren't a part of any of these decisions and you aren't a part of the state or in a position of power within it. It's embarrassing to see people associate themselves with this as though they're participating on a team of some sort.

I won't be reading whatever desperate nonsense you respond with. Just fuckin learn something for once.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

but it certainly caught attention because it was an effective way to articulate the “Anglosphere” anxiety about being fractured and overpowered by local political and economic forces.

It like the EU were about standing against American Imperialism. Harper was the leader in the early 2010s, and even you can figure out the flaw in your own logic when you think as a response to Brexit Canada was looking to unite the anglosphere by joining the EU.

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/dominion

"Dominion of Canada is the country’s formal title, though it is rarely used."

I assume you also should know that United Mexican States is the proper title for Mexico and United States of America is the full name for USA.

Are you really going to suggest that the need to address a purported distance between these “culturally similar” countries was endorsed by neoliberal parties closely aligned with the US

Historically similar not culturally, Canada's the only French nation in that for instance. Also Canada isn't neoliberal, that's all forced on us by the oppressor. We're quite happy not having money but sharing in the environment and looking after each other.

CANZUK is a neoliberal and imperialist campaign that seeks to reassert some sort of common settler identity through formal agreements

In it's entirety it was to pull away from the US.

You have to lie about its importance to create the narrative that it was a sign of how Canadians were oppositional to the U

Our entire history has been opposition to the US, even confederation served that purpose. How can you say you ever opposed the US and be under such disillusion as to think it's recent?

At this very moment you are acting as though Canada is not subordinated to the US while trying to act like Canadians widely recognized that subordination before the current tensions. I don’t think you really understand what you’re saying.

Yes we're under their thumb, Carney campaigned on getting us out of it. Trump is combatitive enough to let it happen and obviously this has been known about before current tensions. As I said, Biden was worse for Canada and as you said " It’s been an idea that’s kicked around for decades". So we're clearly both in agreement that this isn't some randomly new notion. Ask anyone who traveled to Cuba why, they will also say "no Americans" so what are you even trying to prove?