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[–] doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de 213 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

There was a blog post not too long ago, where an Ex-Mozilla engineer shared his thoughts on exactly this topic. The tldr was something like

"Don't try to be like the other browsers, chasing daily active users. Get back in touch with your userbase and understand why they choose Firefox every day instead of just mindlessly picking one of the larger browsers like the majority of users. Then build a browser for these users, instead of pushing them away by doing what the other browsers (which they actively try to avoid) do."

I share this sentiment, but it won't make the money people happy, so I don't think it'll happen.

EDIT: Found the post: https://blog.unitedheroes.net/5751

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I dispute this as well:


“Don’t try to be like the other browsers, chasing daily active users. Get back in touch with your userbase and understand why they choose Firefox every day instead of just mindlessly picking one of the larger browsers like the majority of users. Then build a browser for these users, instead of pushing them away by doing what the other browsers (which they actively try to avoid) do.”

This is a nice sentiment.

But these aren’t the Internet Explorer days.

A browser engine with less than 1% market share isn’t going to be supported by web developers, and then everything about its development becomes an uphill battle. Major sites won’t work, and they can’t afford to fixe them all on an ad hoc basis. And again, it’s not like the IE days where the “default” browser is so unbelievably dysfunctional, the OS was more open, and the user base was a bit more technical.

I’d argue one of Firefox’s most important functions (alongside Safari) is to stop Chrome from becoming the de facto web standard, instead of the HTML spec.

And it’s been repeatedly demonstrated that “these users” the quote describes is an exceedingly small base. It’s reasonable for Firefox to want to expand that, instead of catering to an ever shrinking pie.

I do partially agree: Mozilla needs to touch some grass. They need to get sane. But there is no “option to pick” presented to most of the world. And if Mozilla caters to the same oldschool Internet users like they always have, Firefox will die.

I don’t have a good solution. I’m just arguing that sentiment is applicable to an era we are no longer in.


but it won’t make the money people happy

Aka pay the Firefox devs.

I understand Mozilla wastes a lot of income, but still. This isn’t a hobbyist piece of software, it’s an expensive, labor intense project that needs constant professional attention.

The income part isn’t trivial, unless they find some alternative source of funding (like the Ladybird project apparently has).

[–] warm@kbin.earth 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Firefox is a well known browser. People just don't use it because Chrome offers something else. Firefox has always been a "Chrome lite", following in their footsteps instead of standing on it's own terms.

They abandoned their privacy direction, only coming back when it's beneficial for them to market it. While Chrome sucks for adding features that aren't standard, Firefox needs to just be quick with it too. It took Firefox forever to add tab groups, something people were asking for all the time.

They are absolutely out of touch with their user base and have no direction. Opera GX targeted the gaming niche and now they have similar market share to Firefox, which is insane. It's a shit browser, but at least they went for something. Firefox just idles and adds whatever is popular way too late. Nobody wanted AI shit added, why was any development time wasted on it? The engineer is right.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Always? Firefox existed before Chrome

[–] T156@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You basically see it with some sites now, where you're just told "use chrome if you have any issues", and then it reflects badly on firefox, because a casual user might just think it's the fault of the browser that it's poorly made and doesn't work properly.

For the websites, it's not worth writing around browser-specific quirks, when the vast majority use a chrome-based browser.

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 7 points 1 week ago

Linux has always had that problem. "Linux doesn't support any games!" or "Linux can't run Photoshop". That's the way it is always phrased and seen (and was much worse before Proton came along). Not "The devs didn't bother supporting Linux" or "Adobe sucks".

[–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"The income part isn’t trivial, unless they find some alternative source of funding"

Addressed within the article by the insider:

For what it's worth, I'm not concerned for Mozilla isn't it running out of money. So long as Google or another large search engine exists, it can get cash. There are also a few other financial stability angles it can do which (frankly) would be better.

Google can easily afford to fund Mozilla, and it can't afford to stop. They still need to act like they aren't a monopoly.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

…Do they?

I feel like we are very close to a cyberpunk future where Alphabet doesn’t have to pretend.

And I feel that’s quite dismissive. Mozilla doesn’t have enough development resources as-is, hence the whole original article. And abandoning Servo. And a bunch of other things. If money was a non-concern, they wouldn’t be here.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The problem is a bit circular. Mozilla is flippant with money because they get it from Google and they act like it will be eternal. Assuming an absolute worst case scenario: just based on 2024 finances, Mozilla has enough money to keep running for about three years with no funding if expenses remain stable (123/41=3).

It's worth noting that Servo and competing engine Ladybird are still in development, and they do not get Mozilla money...

[–] Denixen@feddit.nu 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I am longtime Firefox user and i diagree. Firefox will never be big or profitable and should double down on its fanbase. Being divergent from the norm is a feature not a bug. It is the reason people are still using it. Being non-profit and open source is the strength that will always keep it alive because its funders are its fans.

If a website stops working on Firefox I won't use the website. If i really have to use the website I will switch to Vivaldi temporarily. If i have to use it regularly I'll complain about it to the website support. Every time I use it.

It is worth being loyal to me for Firefox, because I am loyal to them. I won't switch to chromium based browsers out of principle.

[–] liuther9@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Lol you are so wrong yet many people upvoted you. How come

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

It’s an almost universal problem. Everything wants to grow so it starts doing things their existing users don’t like, because they’re trying to appeal to people they don’t already have.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

but it won’t make the money people happy

"The money people" is Google which is bankrolling Firefox so that it won't have to divest Chrome under monopoly laws.