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Source: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/11/19/a-statement-from-microsoft-chairman-and-ceo-satya-nadella/

We remain committed to our partnership with OpenAI and have confidence in our product roadmap, our ability to continue to innovate with everything we announced at Microsoft Ignite, and in continuing to support our customers and partners. We look forward to getting to know Emmett Shear and OAI’s new leadership team and working with them. And we’re extremely excited to share the news that Sam Altman and Greg Brockman, together with colleagues, will be joining Microsoft to lead a new advanced AI research team. We look forward to moving quickly to provide them with the resources needed for their success.

News article covering the situation: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23968829/microsoft-hires-sam-altman-greg-brockman-employees-openai

Altman’s Microsoft hiring comes just hours after negotiations with OpenAI’s board failed to bring him back as OpenAI CEO. Instead, former Twitch CEO and co-founder Emmett Shear has been named as interim CEO.

Altman had been negotiating to return as OpenAI CEO, but OpenAI’s four-person board refused to step down and let him return.

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[–] notllmchatbot@alien.top 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Can't be a good thing for OpenAI. Even if Sam Altman doesn't start by taking half the company with him for this research team, I don't see why Microsoft should continue placing OpenAI on a pedestal when they can continue the work in house.

[–] ewankenobi@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The Verge article mentioned Altman had been trying to raise funds for a new venture to build specialised AI chips. It also mentions Microsoft have previously shown interest in that area. So if that the route he's going down is possibly fairly irrelevant to OpenAI. Though he's clearly taken key people with him so that can only be bad news forOpenAI

[–] f10101@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, they'll keep OpenAI on life support for a few months until the exfiltrated staff have built MSGPT5, at which point Microsoft will just cut them off.

[–] blahblahwhateveryeet@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Nobody's gonna use knockoff microsoft bing bong gpt "5" (or "bard" for that matter) - windows products have always been terribly unmarketable and Microsoft fails heavily in that regard

I mean

Do you use Bing's AI thing

OpenAI has the stage here, because they've got the product everybody's habituated to using

[–] f10101@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ChatGPT only exists because MS permit it. It's not financially viable otherwise.

[–] blahblahwhateveryeet@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

um what in the holy hell duck sauce are you talking about

https://www.maginative.com/article/openais-revenue-skyrockets-to-1-3-billion-annual-rate/

do you want some sprinkles with that

[–] PerryDahlia@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

enterprise already prefers to use gpt via azure. when ms replaces that with something else, as long as there’s feature parity nobody will care.

[–] toomuchtodotoday@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Microsoft has an exclusive license to all OpenAI models. They also own the compute hardware. OpenAI cannot afford to train and operate without Microsoft, and there will be no other suitor because OpenAI is already tied to Microsoft with model licensing.

Customers are already migrating to Azure GPT API vs OpenAI.

[–] sa7ouri@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Interesting! Why is Ilya’s name on the list? Didn’t he orchestrate this whole thing?

[–] Appropriate_Ant_4629@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

EDIT: 505 of OpenAIs 700 employees will be leaving for Sam's Microsoft team if the board does not resign. https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1726598360277356775

unless .. the board ... appoints ... Will Hurd

This guy ?!? - https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/09/texas-will-hurd-2024-presidential-race/

Will Hurd, announced Monday he was suspending his longshot 2024 presidential campaign and endorsing Nikki Haley. ... former CIA officer a

[–] f10101@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

He's a former OpenAI board member

[–] Jurph@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

"ChatGPT" without performant models is just a brand name and a UX workflow. If Microsoft buys the brand name (or absorbs OpenAI's IP) then you'll use ChatGPT and not care that bing bong gpt 5 bard is under the hood... or it will suck and you'll find a new brand that's better.

[–] Slimxshadyx@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It is way too early to say nobody will switch off Chat GPT.

And all of the points you made are managerial points, which they just brought the management team from OAI in.

Especially with all this being in the news, many people believe that the company face is the driving force between product quality, and now that face is in Microsoft

[–] _nigelburke_@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think it's probably a bit of a stretch to say Microsoft products have always been unmarketable given they're one of the largest software companies in history

[–] blahblahwhateveryeet@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay then

name one great Microsoft product

[–] visarga@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

VSCode with Copilot

[–] Smallpaul@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I am skeptical that a lot of OpenAI staff are enthusiastic about going to work for Microsoft. They are going to scatter to the wind. Google, Anthropic, Cohere, everywhere.

[–] Singularity-42@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I think 95% of employees so far expressed support for Sam...

[–] BusinessReplyMail1@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Microsoft is matching key OpenAI employees equity with Microsoft stocks, which can be 10+ millions. https://www.semianalysis.com/p/microsoft-swallows-openais-core-team?r=13ehoo

[–] Eightstream@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I think it's entirely possible that OpenAI merges with Anthropic

[–] cunth@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Anrhropic is the one to watch

[–] suctionhandle@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Nothing ever changes

[–] f10101@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I may be naive, but I honestly don't think this was the original intention here. I think MS were quite happy having OpenAI at arms length as a maverick research group, while availing of the unlimited access to their results.

But it's seemingly turned into more a case of Explode, Evacuate, Extinguish.

[–] sigmatrophic@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

No more open source A.I

[–] badabummbadabing@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We have no insight how much of a driving force for OpenAI's success Sam Altman has been, or would have continued to be.

[–] Ambiwlans@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Over 90% of openai have threatened to quit

[–] EmbarrassedHelp@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

720+ of the 778 staff I think

[–] jamochasnake@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it's not just sam, he's bringing talent with him. people like jakub pachocki.

[–] BrotherGraham@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jakub Pachocki has indeed done great work on the self-learning Dota video game player.

[–] jamochasnake@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

and the pre-training of GPT-4

[–] newtonkooky@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This was gonna be the end state of openai even with Sam Altman there, their deals with MS effectively look like MS owns them

[–] bitmoji@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

these events are largely a result of processes initiated by the previous CEO of openai, so