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[–] halfapage@lemmy.world 31 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

I absolutely despise morons who smugly pronounce language learning and translation work "solved", while at the same time not bothering to learn any language beside their native one. And most often not bothering to use that one well, as well. You can tell so easily they have no idea what they are missing out on.

I hope it's all going to end in style of tower of Babel event. I know that it won't, but hey.

Wish you the best for your field of work.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Language is in a peculiar decline these days - there's the process of English becoming the most badly spoken and written language ever, because all of us non-natives use it online and often also at work. Together with the inescapable avalanche of slop being churned out.

Also, language used to carry authority and this is getting lost for more and more people. We have been bombarded with advertising, propaganda, lies for many generations now and it's becoming stale. Longer texts used to carry more authority, now a topic can be communicated very precisely through a meme, and why not? For a translator I am getting awfully distrustful of words I'm afraid. I believe we are already standing right under the crumbling tower and will have to learn to communicate through shrugs and grunts. And again, why not?

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 8 points 17 hours ago

language used to carry authority

That’s an interesting view, because one way I always looked at it was it became a gating function (in a negative way). Just like the rich raise the barrier to entry, I always thought that there were people who were dismissive of others because you couldn’t speak their language perfectly.

Coupled with the hundreds of unique languages (let alone dialects) it created artificial pockets and barriers of understanding and power.

I do understand some of the cultural nuances of specific languages, but overall having a single common language understood and used by everyone can help unite us globally, rather than keeping us siloed.

[–] kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I absolutely despise morons who smugly pronounce language learning and translation work “solved”

Juu sammoo miäkkii uonny uatelna. Kaekkee hienoenta tämmöttiissä uonku eip nuo alakoritmit ja semmottet oekkeest uo mittee ees ratkassukkaa. Miä eilispäevänä justiinsa opinni etteep tekoviksut ossoo ees kunnolla murutehia kientöö, vaek kyl miä nii luulinni juu. Tämmöttii kup vähäsennii huastelloopi ni eip hyö siihe oekkee mittee osannukkaa virikata! Kuukkels tuo etteenki se suols aenaki iha pelekköö paskoo, ol ihap hauskoo kyl lukkoo ja naaraa.

[–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Is this supposed to be a meta comment to show that machine translation can't help us read it?

Edit: If it is, well DeepL manages a pretty coherent translation:

Yeah, I feel the same way. All the fancy stuff in this field—those sub-rhythms and whatnot—aren’t really a solution at all. Just yesterday I learned that even the pros can’t always get the grammar right, even though I thought they could. I messed around with this a little, but I couldn’t really figure out how to make it work! That part at the beginning sounds like total crap, but it’s actually pretty funny to listen to and watch.

I'm guessing "sub-rhythm" should be "algorithm" and "pros" probably means software and not people. The last sentences could use some more context. But otherwise this sounds kinda logical.

Now Google Translate…

Yeah, I'm so sorry. All the fine things in this world, but those little things and the like, don't solve the problem. Yesterday, I just didn't study properly, I thought so. That's a little bit of a huastelloopi, and it's not good for you, but it's not a big deal! Kuukkels, that's why it's always fun to play with the balls, it's just fun to play with the balls and the girls.

…yeah.

[–] kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yes.

Yeah I've been thinking the same. The greatest thing about these is that those algorithms and whatnot haven't really even solved anything. Just yesterday I learned that fake/artificial-smarts can't even translate dialects correctly, even though I thought they could. If you talk something like this for a bit they weren't really able to answer that! Google especially was giving out complete shit, but it was pretty funny to read and laugh.

If it was unclear, the point is: pick a random finn from the street and they can translate that pretty much from word to word, even if they are from a complete different dialect speaking area, whereas even at best AI could give you only something towards it. I can only use obscure things, like this as an example, as I do not speak that many other languages, but if the languages do not have much written record online, they are not going to be properly translatable. We are still surprisingly far from not needing human translators.

//And yes, Google was hilariously shit. I managed to make couple normal sentences, without even trying, that it just gave up completely and did not translate at all, only removed some random letters.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago

Well, it is always fun to play with the balls and the girls.