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[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I rlly fail to understand how thousands of people who had to go through the horrors of the Holocaust can support this. Like... Where's the empathy? Do they not feel anything? (by "they", I mean the Israeli government and its enablers)

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My casual take on this is that it isn't the same people. Those that lived through and survived the holocaust generally don't bay for blood when interviewed like the Israeli government spokespeople or Right Wing US commentators.

To me, they seem pretty fed up and saddened by what is happening but don't exactly have the energy to stand up against it. There's a sadness in the way they speak about what is happening.

Compare that with IDF / Israeli spokespeople or Right Wing US religious opinion merchants on the news. They practically speak of Palestinians as dirt and vermin. They do not give a shit because they know nobody is going to stop them.

The upsetting thing is that the latter group makes the appearance of speaking on behalf of the victims of the holocaust.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

Sure if you ignore all the horrors they inflicted on Palestinians in the period after WW2.

Today’s Zionists are doing the same shit they did right after the Holocaust. They were out for blood than, and they taught the current crop to be the same.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There have been many Holocaust survivors critical of the state of Israel too.

One-third of Israeli Holocaust survivors live in poverty as well.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately, humans are incredibly ready to establish an "in group" and an "out group".

[–] Norgur@fedia.io 3 points 7 months ago

It's a weird thing in human psychology that trauma can be inherited and trauma leads to violence instead of empathy.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

If it was up to Hamas they'd have to go thru the holocaust again. That's how many probably justified in in the beginning. Obviously it's a bit different case to continue supporting it now.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter

The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990's, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.

The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he's not Palestinian.

History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012