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Refugee board orders deportation for trucker in horrific Humboldt Broncos crash (www.theglobeandmail.com)

submitted 5 months ago by lautan@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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Jaskirat Singh Sidhu’s lawyer has said there are still numerous other legal procedures to come, and the deportation process could take months or years.

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I still don't agree with this. What benefit to Canada by sending him back? It's not like he's going to re-offend.

His wife will be forced to abandon Canada after getting her citizenship to stay with him.

He committed a crime and he served his time. Let him resume his life. Maybe he can add something positive back to Canada however small it will be in comparison to our loss.

[–] lautan@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think the argument is to deter other immigrants from committing such crimes.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

For most types of crimes, I'd agree. This one just doesn't make sense though, there was no intention or malice behind it. It was an accident because he wasn't paying enough attention, the particular intersection was shit for sightlines, and he lacked the education and experience to handle it.

Other immigrants are not going to look at the deportation and go "I'm going to pay more attention while driving a semi-truck in rural areas" because of the deportation rather than the 8 years in jail and massive guilt of killing people.

[+] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca -11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

There are tons of immigrant truckers here who shouldn't be on the road, so yes it wasn't intentional but it still might make people think about the situation (and potential liability) they are putting themselves in.
Who gives a fuck if it benefits the country or not, there's literally no reason for us to keep a convicted criminal (of any crime) if we don't have to. The real question should be "Why should a criminal non-citizen be allowed the privilege of staying?"

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do trucks with PR cause more accidents than citizens? Do you have a source for your accusation here, or are you just making it up?
I give a fuck. Why have immigrants at all if we aren't benefitting from them. We picked him ahead of others for a reason, who's to say the person we replace him with won't be worse?

It reminds me of something I learned. A good boss doesn't fire someone for making an accidental costly mistake, the damage is done, you may as well keep the person who has learned the lesson really well because they're less likely to do it again than a new person.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

If they have a valid license, and they're not self-employed, then it's not exclusively their fault if they're not qualified. They should not bear the brunt of the liability. The whole damn system failed. I mean, the trucking company that hired the guy was only fined a few thousamd bucks, and the government didn't mandate any training, and nothing happened to them.
That is not the real question. But you do bring up a good one: Why is this country's population tending toward being more and more vindictive, rectionary assholes?
"Criminal" is a loaded word. A great many people commit acts that violate the criminal code on the regular, and nothing happens to them. Suggesting that anyone that gets singled out for having done so doesn't deserve to be in the country is an alarming position to take, and is not coming from a position of justice, but of malice.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ok, but what are we going to do about the lack of training in the trucking industry that led to this?

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This wasn't caused by a lack of training, though.

He sped through an intersection with an oversized stop signs at it, which featuring a flashing light, without even trying to stop. (Source)

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Ok, so when are we going to change trucking regulations to help out underpaid fatigued drivers?

I worked in the industry for ten years. A big reason I got out was being pushed by bosses to drive more and more for less and less money. This whole incident is a symptom of larger issues that I don’t think are being addressed.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

I agree that the truck industry needs to change (I know a few career truck drivers who have shared their experiences), but this was not a case of improper training, or even fatigue.

There were so many warnings for the driver leading up to the intersection. He didn't even try to stop.

Only he knows what happened, but the court documents have listed perfect driving conditions, ample warnings, and squarely puts blame on the driver.

This was beyond tragic and completely avoidable.

[–] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At the end of the day it's not "the industry" driving trucks, is individual people.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

But the industry is responsible for training these people, and they don’t provide enough.

And to add to that, it was my experience as a truck driver, that whenever something does go wrong, companies will do everything they can to place all blame on the driver.

Trucking should be unionized and made a red seal trade.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's been plenty done since. Getting a CDL these days is ridiculously onerous and expensive.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I got mine in 2009. It was a 3 week course - 2 days in class, the rest driving for 2 hours each day - that cost $3000. Then they send you off on your own with a “good luck”

What’s changed since then?

It should be a trade with yearly training until you’re a journeyman.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Look up MELT. It's now over $20k and hundreds of hours of class and driving. It's crazy.

Hell, I challenged the test 30 years ago, it was basically hook up a trailer, drive around for an hour and do some backups, then show you can unhook a trailer. Never did a class, but I'm also a farmer so I've been driving trucks since I could reach the pedals.

It's truck driving, not rocket surgery. Stay awake and avoid killing busloads of kids. Millions of miles driven a day without incidents. As far as miles per accident, even old CDL drivers are orders of magnitude safer than the run of the mill driver with a 5000lb weapon in their hands, yet I don't see the authorities doing shit-all about the yahoos I see lobbing their vehicle blindly down the QE2

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

Yeah. Reading the article, I really don't think this guy is going to get deported.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The truck driver who caused the horrific bus crash involving the Humboldt Broncos junior hockey team was ordered Friday to be deported to India.

“I can’t consider humanitarian and compassionate factors,” Trent Cook from the immigration division of the board, who oversaw the hearing, told Mr. Sidhu.

“My sole role today is to make a finding on whether the minister has established the facts that support their allegation that you’re inadmissible for serious criminality.

His lawyer, Michael Greene, had said the decision was a foregone conclusion, as all that was required to deport Mr. Sidhu was proof he’s not a Canadian citizen and he had committed a serious crime.

In 2018, the rookie truck driver, living in Calgary, barrelled through a stop sign and into the path of the junior hockey team’s bus at a rural intersection near Tisdale, Sask.

Mr. Greene said he plans to soon file an application asking the government to return Mr. Sidhu’s permanent-resident status on humanitarian grounds.

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