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Automatically creating a shadow account for everyone on Instagram?

Even allowing people to follow that account?

Sounds like they really wanted to push Threads out the door in a big way.

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[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck Meta and all but this isn't news. Meta litterally said straight up that they would be doing this before threads ever launched. If you have an instagram account then that is also your threads account. This isn't some conspiracy it's exactly what they told everyone they were doing. It's no diferent than linked accounts for google services.

[–] daguito81@waveform.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah this Threads issue is getting into the tin foil delusional territory now. Just as you said. They literally say "well use your Instagram acccount" of you bother to read their disclaimers they literally tell you that they are literally using your Instagram account. It's "Threads by Instagram". When you first log in it ll import all your Instagram contacts and you cna "follow" them. And if they don't have it yet it'll say "you'll follow as soon as they join threads" there is no "Shadow Threads account, because they are using the Instagram account.".

You can definitely be against threads and Meta. I Personally am not super thrilled about it. But there is way more than enough to hate a out meta and threads without making stuff up.

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They’re not creating a shadow account, you’re literally logging in with your instagram account.

What this post is implying, is that the user numbers are just existing instagram accounts, which doesn’t make sense because in that case they’d have 2 billion users within the first second.

You can follow/request to follow before the user has actually "created" the account, so they’re lying about which users have done that already, not about how many users they actually have.

Come at me downvotes

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I signed up for it, they have an option for you to pre-follow people for when they sign up to threads

[–] Goldmaster@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

This happened to me. Joined threads and what do I see? Signal and instantly had a bunch of random accounts follow me.

I think I'm sticking to Mastodon and Pixelfed.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Now we know why it was not launched in EU.

[–] DuckDuckGoneForGood@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fucking KNEW it.

35 million users my asshole - they’re just counting existing Instagram accounts.

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure they’re not. I mean those are instagram accounts, but only those who enabled threads. It’s also at 93 million now.

Why is it so hard to believe that people download the app and try it out? It’s easy to do, users don’t have to create a new account, the app is number one on the App Store, they’re probably advertising it in instagram, and it’s still just 20% of the instagram userbase.

Decentralization is nice, but most people don’t care about it and it’s too complicated or annoying to sign up there. Threads is dead simple and people want a Twitter replacement. It’s also "just" a fifth of the Twitter userbase.

[–] RubberDucky@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the people just care for "the hot new thing" some just dislike twitter more, some are forced by friends to use it (me :( )

Is kinda weird seeing so many people on Lemmy just do not trust any data from social media.

The things of the fediverse is that everything is too complicated, seeing my friends signups for Threads they just downloaded 1 app, and max 7 clicks and they made an account, they thought Mastodon was too hard to use :(

[–] damnYouSun@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Setting things up on fediverse is overly complicated and could be made easier.

The biggest problem is it really isn't all that clear what the pros and cons are various instances are, and the truth is that for the most part with the exception of a few particular instances it really doesn't matter.

What might make the most sense is to have a website people can sign up on and then it just registers their account on one of a few instances to spread the load. Obviously that list I would have to be curated so it didn't include obvious problematic instances,but it wouldn't be that hard to do that. And that would make it as easy as threads is which basically is just an instance when all said and done.

[–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago

Something that would make it massively easier is portable/decentralised identities, or at least easy account migration. This should go for communities as well so that a community can exist independently of an instance, or be migrated to another instance with subscribers being redirected seamlessly.

[–] lem_dart@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why does everything have to be a conspiracy with some people? Threads literally and directly explains that it uses your Instagram account. They're the same account. Nothing crazy. No magic. No oogie boogie. Just the same account.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does anyone remember Google+? When they tried to make everyone with a YouTube account also have a Google+ account.

Spoiler alert: it didn't go well

[–] UESPA_Sputnik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is a pity because the ideas of having "circles" was actually clever. Or at least I thought so back then. I wonder how modern social media would look like if they all implemented that.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sadly, it was destined to fail. In Diaspora and in Google+.

The thing is, while people definitely do have different circles, they don't like to think about these circles in an explicit way.

Facebook has had something like this for a while now, you can set visibility settings on every post, but again almost nobody uses it.

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I smell an antitrust lawsuit coming up. Whether we hate Twitter or not, they could have a valid case against Meta here as this shit is anti-competitive as fuck. If Elon is smart enough, and that's a big if, he could seize the opportunity to sue Meta over this and win. To just be able to recycle existing Instagram users gives Meta an unfair advantage over existing microblogging social media platforms.

[–] ignitionnight@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using an advantage does not mean it's anti competitive.

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is anti-competitive because it is like Windows forcing Internet Explorer as a default, which the EU for instance ruled anti-competitive in the past.

[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they aren't forcing Threads as a default. They are associating Instagram accounts to Threads accounts, the same way Google associates GMail accounts to GDrive.

We all hate Facebook, but can we hate them for the things that they actually do, instead of inventing false reasons to hate them?

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Good point, the GMail and GDrive analogy is indeed more accurate. Though I don't believe Google is a good example as it is actually the subject of many antitrust lawsuits.

[–] Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think something that a lot of the comments are missing here is the fact that threads, Instagram and Facebook all have been migrated from individual accounts to ‘meta’ accounts. I’m certain that we will see this happen with many platforms unless there is a serious shift in data protection laws. I don’t personally think it’s great that it’s the case but that’s just how it is. The meta platform is quite similar to how google migrated YouTube users to google accounts way back in the day. This monolithic structure ensures that they can keep your user data in a more streamlined database. From a sys admin and a business perspective it makes a lot of sense. From a user who doesn’t care and already uses all of those services perspective it makes a lot of sense. From a privacy conscious user perspective it makes no sense. Then again metas platform is in no way for the user who cares how their data is being handled.

I guess another perspective is talking about interoperability. It kind of feels like they are taking the web3 (I know it’s a loaded term) approach but instead of applying it in a way that allows free development and communication in a way that basically pulls from decentralized/distributed databases you instead get a centralized monolithic model that creates interoperability within their own walled garden.

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Dude there are people with the name poo poo pee pee on Facebook. I regret ever using my real name with Google and Facebook

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This seemed obvious the moment they said 10m accounts on launch. People aren't that proactive

[–] YangWenli@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems obvious because they literally said that’s what they’re doing. They’re not trying to hide it.

If you have an Instagram account, it literally takes a single click to sign up for Threads. Your Instagram account is the same as your Threads account.

It’s like how your Gmail account is the same as your Google Drive account.

[–] varzaman@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we please stop with the misinformation campaign.

Everyone on here is trying to pat each other on the back by being better than Reddit.

So far no one on here acts differently from Reddit, no matter how much you guys like to pretend lol.

“Shadow accounts” lol. It’s literally your instagram account. Threads is built on top of Instagram. None of this is some hidden secret.

[–] notavote@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

They did say "X milions of accounts were ACTIVATED in one day", not "created".