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Probably a very polarizing question.

On the one hand, having most of the users and communities on LW causes technical issues (see this post), and also gives the LW staff too much power over Lemmy as a whole.

On the other hand, with 18k MAU on LW out of 47k (https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/), every community listed there has a much higher chance of visibility compared to an alternative hosted on another instance

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[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's a big problem all across the fediverse. New users have no idea which instance to join. In the absence of any way to differentiate between instances, they go with the most popular one, or the one they've heard of the most, or the one that sounds vaguely official or "vanilla". Lemmy.world is the obvious choice for these users.

This leads to the biggest server becoming a runaway train, which is bad for diversity and also bad for the admins because it makes it harder to manage the load. It's the same thing with mastodon.social.

I would encourage users to avoid the biggest instance as a rule, no matter which service they are signing up for. Ideally, avoid the top three or five. That will naturally lead to a healthier balance.

The problem is, there aren't a lot of "general purpose" Lemmy instances. Someone following my advice, who doesn't know better, might find themselves on hexbear, dbzer0, or lemmygrad. These are bad choices for a new user who expects something more or less equivalent to major centralized sites.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Shamelessly plugging lemm.ee- it is exactly what you’re looking for when you say general purpose instance

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is, there aren’t a lot of “general purpose” Lemmy instances.

Or there aren't enough specific ones. If you go to Join Lemmy and you are presented with a number of general purpose instances, you are likely to pick the largest and only later realise the problems that entails and switch to another instance.

If you are a Trekkie or read books or game or program then it is easy to pick one. Ditto if there is an instance specific to your country (I should know).

If you look at Mastodon (which is more developed and has a wider and deeper selection of instances) you can see that these niches instances do well and I think we need to encourage more here.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can confirm that when choosing a Mastodon account, .social wasn't taking new users at the time. So I looked at the list and chose vmst.io because "Oh, I'm a nerd too."

I'll say that while the number of connections is far lower, so far I haven't noticed that as a problem in the limited capacity that I use Mastodon.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed.

Ideally, avoid the top three or five. That will naturally lead to a healthier balance.

That's probably good for Mastodon, but for Lemmy there isn't so much choice. My rule of thumb, in order is

  • lemm.ee
  • sh.itjust.works if you are ok with the name
  • discuss.tchncs.de or lemmy.ca depending if you are located in Europe or North America
  • lemmy.zip as they are good contenders, but a bit smaller than the others
[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Any reasons for choosing discuss.tchncs.de over feddit.de?

Edit: Oh wait, is feddit.de down? Have they been having issues recently?

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[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@otter@lemmy.ca, I wanted to ask you about something: I posted to !til@lemmy.ca in the past, but it seems that now the community isn't actively moderated, and on the other side !todayilearned@lemmy.world is getting a resurgence.

Do you think it is worth it trying to post to the lemmy.ca one, or should we go with the flow and post on the LW one to make it grow?

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We were actually checking into this recently! While the mods look inactive from the post history, there is an active mod keeping an eye on the community.

I'm planning to make more posts to !til@lemmy.ca, and while I'm not sure which one will be best in the long run, I want to try and see if we can grow this one.

As for the other communities, I'm planning to go through and clean up moderation sometime in the next little while :)

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Alright, good to know! I see if I can find stuff to post there, but usually I post to !interestingasfuck@lemm.ee as there is some overlap, and the community got some traction a few days ago

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Regarding your last point, tools like Lemmy Federate make this less of an issue.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Indeed, I use it from time to time, but from my experience, it seems like LW users tend to stay on their local feed, increasing the visibility of their local communities compared to ones from other instance

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't help those who won't help themselves 🤷‍♂️

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Indeed, but the issue is when one third of the population is there

[–] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is Lemmy World's default when signed in local? Or is this a consequence of many more active communities being there?

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Not sure, might be, I'm too lazy to setup another LW account to find out ha ha.

Might also just be that it's their way of avoiding political content from lemmygrad, hexbear and lemmy.ml

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago

Other issues experiences by Aussie.zone: https://aussie.zone/post/9964509/11627914

Thank you @Baku@aussie.zone

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

spreading out a bit would be nice, although there are some things that could help some of these issues anyways

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I read on the aussie.zone thread (https://aussie.zone/post/9964509/11627914 ) they already tried a few things

The last one would be to have a proxy in Europe, but they don't want to (which I can understand)

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yea but the new parallel sending feature should help them more, we'll see when it gets released

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

It's already been in beta testing for a little while so probably releasing soon! Of course that's a bit of a risky change lol so I'll be waiting and see if any bugs are discovered in the weeks after release.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communities on big instances have a chance to grow. So once it gets big enough on something like world, they could put up a movement post and switch the community onto a smaller server. I have a lemmy ml community but it only has 227 subs so its currently not worth moving. There are enough subscribers that some posts get upvoted and end up like with 25 upvotes in a hurry so they appear on the tops lists. Obviously, the more the community hits the top lists, the more people will see it and maybe subscribe to it.

I have a lemmy ml community but it only has 227 subs so its currently not worth moving.

I would have thought that a smaller community would be easier to move, as there would be less inertia and inconvenience. I've deliberately created some communities on smaller servers and cross-posted to more general communities on larger servers to help with visibilty.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

Updated the post with history of LW controversial decisions

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I am usually trying to encourage people to host communities on other instances (recently moved !casualconversation@lemmy.world to !casualconversation@lemm.ee, but sometimes it feels like fighting against the current.

What do you think?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Every time I want to post a politics article, I have to decide whether to post @lemmy.world (and exclude the Beehaw people and include the trolls and reach more people) or @beehaw.org (and exclude the World people and help the growth of a community that seems better, but reach a lot less people).

IDK what the answer is

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Hello, good to see you here!

I completely get what you mean. Beehaw creates its own kind of situation. For a long time I was hoping they would refederate with SJW and LW, especially after 0.19.X where users could block instances on their own, but I guess that's never going to happen.

It's really a shame, because people and communities on Beehaw are really valuable

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why not post to both with Lemmy's cross-post feature?

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, I cross post a lot, but over time I gets a bit annoying, especially when you know that today with user-level federation maybe Beehaw could consider refederating with LW and SJW

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Beehaw has given up on Lemmy (Or just given up in general? They aren't taking care of what they have nor have they moved to something new).

They're still on v0.18.4 despite v0.18.5 being an extremely easy and safe update with a hotfix for an issue they were specifically complaining about. Literally takes like a couple minutes to do that update but they never did it. They're also keeping themselves open to at least 1 security issue by being on such an old version.

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