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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Cars fulfill a very self-indulgent narrative. 'I get to decide where and when I travel', makes people feel "free" snd "important" even when millions of them are silently coming to the same decisions-- like going downtown at 09:00 on weekdsys-- that allow huge efficiency plays.

Notice how many ads feature fantasies of open roads and trips to faraway attractions, not the real world of "I need to sit in rush hour traffic from 6:30 on to get to the Work Factory"

Maybe public transit needs to focus its message on the freedom from drudgery it offers-- you don't have to be staring at the driver in front of you, scanning the traffic reports

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Exactly! This is why I love micromobility and quality public transit so much. With micromobility like electric scooters or bikes, I can zip past traffic in the protected cycle lanes in my city. With the frequent metro service in my city, I know I can show up to the metro station at basically any time and know it'll be a max 5-minute wait for the next train. And when I'm on the train, I can just chill and scroll on my phone or read a book instead of stressing about traffic. The freedom to think about something that isn't traffic.

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[–] psud@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Because many of us live in places where you must use a car, there are no alternatives

In such places electric public transport is nothing but a pipe dream

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The worrying thing here is the assumption that we can choose...

The world has 2 billions individual cars. Lithium extraction rate may not be sufficient to make 2 billions cars by 2030... and that's assuming we don't need lithium for computers, smartphones, but also not for batteries for the grid (because no solar cell works at night and wind farms are not on demand erther), and... not for electric trucks! Then comes the question of the other metals: copper, nickel, cobalt, ...

Trains will not work everywhere for everyone, but not deploying them now and fast will be a severe issue for North America when resources will get scarce.

We need a smart mix of trains, buses, subways, tramways, shared vehicles, bikes, everything but one individual car per person. That era will come to an end because we're closer to the bottom of our planet's natural resources stock than the beginning.

There's not even a real option of keeping gas cars a little while more, as cheap oil is also coming to an end.

The difference between accepting this and "choosing" individual cars is how ready countries will be when resources will get scarce. It may get ugly...

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, unfortunately what people aren't getting is that continuing car dependency -- electric cars or not -- is fundamentally not an option. Sure we'll probably have electric firetrucks and tractors, but having 1 ton of lithium batteries and 2 to 3 tons of steel per person -- plus mind-boggling amounts of asphalt roads and parking lots -- was never going to be a sustainable option, be it environmentally, economically, or socially.

We as a society keep shoving forwards as if switching to a better transit mix is a choice. It's not. Car dependency can never last.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Because North Americans were tricked by the oil and car companies in the 50s to think that car ownership was part of being human, and now we're addicted to sitting in traffic, breathing fumes, and killing pedestrians in the name of muh freedom.

[–] randint@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

I love trains

[–] EthicalAI@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Trains aren’t 100% the answer, but cars should be the last answer. Still we should electrify cars.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because cars aren't stuck to tracks.

[–] torpak@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

cars are stuck to roads and much less efficient everywhere many people need to go. cars are basically useful where only few people live or work.

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[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I dunno what country you are from, but here in the US of A, the monopolies that own all the train infrastructure make sure to keep trains as public transportation as cost prohibitive as possible.

[–] onparole@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Trains: live super densely, it's great. Cars: chill bro

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