Has there ever been a study that showed it wasn't effective? When can we end these experiments and just implement it?
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Not as long as Republicans have any majority. And potentially when hell freezes over.
Honestly I imagine right wingers in most countries would rather see our species die out altogether rather than see people be receiving money like this. Edit: replaced "conservatives" with "right wingers" because I don't believe the current extreme right-wing attitudes represent conservatives anymore.
Literally 95% of the German parliament is opposed to it. It's not just right wingers, they're just the most opposed.
The Green party supports increasing existing social services up until and slightly beyond the minimum required to live (and not be homeless) and opposes sanctions for those who refuse to work.
The "social" democrats - conservative lite to be exact - support a "right to work" instead of UBI. Work is great and it's more than making money, you achieve self-determination through work etc etc.
Every other party further right is absolutely insane and their proposals can and should be completely ignored.
Of the 5% who aren't opposed, a quarter is made up of "left conservatives" who advocate for social spending but heavily oppose any and all LGBTQ+ rights, immigration and nature/climate protection.
support a “right to work” instead of UBI. Work is great and it’s more than making money, you achieve self-determination through work etc etc.
this is common in most of western/northern europe, to the point that most social services for citizens or 'integration' support for immigrants ends at employment. the assumption being that any employment is all anyone really needs.
you've been fired from your last three jobs because of your worsening depressive spirals? but it didn't stop you from getting that temp job last week! do some yoga or something smh.
you're a migrant who doesn't know the local language? well, it didn't stop you from getting a job! take a night class or something smh.
you want to switch careers or further your education? but you're already in a career; clearly your education is fine! attend a conference or something smh.
you have no friends or family and no freetime to develop your hobbies and interests? but you have a job! get drunk with your coworkers on Fridays or something smh.
workwork. okiedokie. zugzug.
No real need to replace it. Conservative is supposed to mean fiscally conservative, and that hasn't existed in most of our lifetimes. It has fully been co-opted by the party of family values, anti-education, and pro criminal "justice" system and has been for well over 50 years now.
I suspect the studies with small numbers of spread out participants are missing the inflation effects.
We need a study of a whole town to see if giving everyone extra money is going to make the price of everything go up by the same amount.
I'm hopeful this is a good idea and would likely vote for it, but I worry a bit that it will be pointless in the end.
One of my favorite charities, GiveDirectly, researched the effects of large cash transfers on inflation in Kenya.
Vox has a good write-up: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/11/25/20973151/givedirectly-basic-income-kenya-study-stimulus
GiveDirectly gave about $1,000 (or $1,871 in purchasing power terms) each to more than 10,500 households, through three transfers over the course of about eight months. The program amounted to about 15 percent of the GDP of the local area. For comparison, that’s about three times as much economic stimulus, relative to the size of the economy, as the 2008-09 stimulus packages in the US.
They found that the cash transfers not only benefited recipients; they benefited people in nearby villages too because recipients spent more money, some of which went to their neighbors’ businesses. Contrary to some fears, there were no meaningful inflation effects, and there were no envy or jealousy effects where people close by who didn’t receive cash felt worse off after the intervention.
Here's a direct link to the published study, updated Nov. 2022: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.3982/ECTA17945
If you're curious, they have info. about many of their research projects (a number of which are published and peer reviewed) at https://www.givedirectly.org/research-at-give-directly/
I suspect the problem is they end up being targeted studies directed toward low-to-zero income individuals because trying to sustain that kind of disbursement across an entire town, even a smallish one of about 6-10K people, would be out of scope without a research grant approaching a billion dollars. That feels pretty unlikely to happen.
I hope I live to see the day when UBI becomes a nationwide program here in the US.
In before someone claims this isn't actually a leftist policy because it doesn't throw in the towel and endorse Trump, or some such nonsense.
I will bite.
There are leftist that call for reform to capitalism. UBI is one such reform to help capitalism exploit fewer people. Similar reforms are minimum wage. UBI could make capitalism easier on workers.
I prefer a system that does less harm to workers by means such as the abolition of private property and the employer class. Workers should get the value of their work. They don't need an employer parasitically taking that value.
If you emphasize giving workers what they literally produce instead of its value, the contrast is even greater. With value, you are still emphasizing the pie metaphor, which capitalist economists invented to obfuscate the real issues. In terms of property rights to the produced outputs and liabilities for the used-up inputs, workers qua employees get 0% while employers qua employer get 100%. In the property theoretic terms, workers don't get the fruits of their labor at all
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I love this comment. Thank you. Value does obfuscate the product of labor. If I pick apples and cook them, I have apple sauce. The apple sauce is mine to share as I will. Value points to some form of storage where I can exchange the apple sauce for some other product later.