73k$ yikes
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Is this a ad for them? Cause it feels a lot like a Ad.
It could be. You never know what kind of deal go on behind the scenes for these articles.
This is the EV enthusiasts community. We often share the press release coverage for new important cars.
Forget the US market...
Is it better than the insanely cheap BYDs we're not allowed to buy in America to prop up our failing auto industry that doesn't even build in America anymore?
To be fair, BYDs are cheap because they’re propped up by their government even harder.
So it's even better because China isn't making money off them?
American companies refuse to produce cheap and reliable EVs. Maybe seeing how many people buy BYDs would spur competition? Then they can make EVs that compete for cheaper because they're not shipped from the other side of the planet. Isn't that literally how capitalism is supposed to work?
Instead we're preventing consumers from accessing what they want so they have to settle for what shit we can get.
Like, if you think this is worth "protecting American jobs" you need to Google how many "auto workers" are involved in manufacturing in America and not servicing or repair.
The only shit being protected is the stock owners investment.
I would argue that western companies are not refusing to make cheap EVs, it’s that they can’t. China can because the government wanted to capture the battery and EV space and has aggressively subsidized everything from the mines to the car lot. Also, China’s labor rights and pay are not like those in the US and Europe.
Companies in China can make cheap cars and with a profit because China’s materials, R&D, and labor costs are much much lower.
IMHO, the US needs to do what it did for internet and semiconductor tech. Have the government fund the shit out of it, so local companies in the emerging market can have a cheap barrier to entry.
Problem is, the GOP really doesn’t want to bankroll green tech. They’re in deep with the oil lobbyists. And they also never want to fund R&D unless the science is needed for weapons of war.
China can because the government wanted to capture the battery and EV space and has aggressively subsidized everything from the mines to the car lot.
American taxpayers pay for EV subsidies too tho...
It's just if an American car has a 10k subsidy, the company charges 10k more than they would have.
American prices aren't based on what something cost to make plus a profit margin, they're priced as high as people are willing to pay.
Problem is, the GOP really doesn’t want to bankroll green tech. They’re in deep with the oil lobbyists.
Oil production and new fossil fuels drilling leases on public lands increased under Biden tho... No matter how much the media wants to call him an environmentalist, the fact is that doesn't line up with reality
This is one of those areas where "both sides" is accurate except for the progressives. While Kamala talked a strong climate game in the 2020 primaries, we'll have to see what happens after she wins.
Subsidies vary in different nations. China subsidizes things pretty aggressively, and unlike the US, they focus a lot on lowering material and manufacturing costs. The US has focused on modest tax breaks for buyers of already manufactured products.
As for sticker price, sub $40k EVs has been a challenging space for Japan, Korea, Germany, France, the Netherlands, etc. There are a good amount of nations with EV manufacturers now, and I think it’s a stretch to assume that they’ve all aligned on keeping prices high for vehicles with long range.
As for sticker price, sub $40k EVs has been a challenging space for Japan
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Tesla may dominate the global EV market — but for drivers in Japan, a $13,000 tiny car is proving a better investment.
Data compiled by Bloomberg shows the Sakura — a $13,000 minicar developed jointly by Nissan and Mitsubishi — is the best-selling electric car in Japan this year, accounting for about half of all EVs sold in the country so far this year. Bloomberg reported that the cost of the vehicle included government subsidies.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nissan-sakura-tiny-car-is-japans-best-selling-ev-2023-10?op=1
I'm starting to think you're just forming opinions as we go...
Their highest selling EV is a third of the price point you say they can't beat?
How do you explain that?
That’s a Kei car, which is why the price is what it is. The battery is something like 20kwh. That’s the size of a battery that you might expect to see in a hybrid sedan.
Kei cars are dope, but very light weight and are not designed for accidents on large / fast roadways.
I’d love for Kei cars to be available for inner city / rural travel in the US.
I look forward to buying one of these used for like 20k. People are going to lose a fortune on resale value.
Yep, can't get cheap and reliable new, so we have to buy used luxury vehicles that aren't reliable because everything in America caters to the wealthiest and we fight over their scraps.
We're doing shit completely backwards if the goal is to actually help the planet.
How many Americans even think about a brand new car, let alone one over 70k?
I mostly buy new cars, but my last one was 22k and not 70k.