So does this only benfit building developers? Seems like another rich getting richer situation.
this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2023
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Maybe, but if you need more housing, rewarding development is what you need to do.
It's like when someone cries: "We need more workers". What's the answer? That's right: "Pay them more!". This time it's "We need more houses". But the answer is the same: "Pay them more!"
I'm having trouble with the "if you need more housing, rewarding development is what you need to do." Part
From my limited understanding the purpose of a developer is to do speculative research to determine what building ideas they can make a profit off. They pay the builders and then find a buyer for the finished product.
So I can see how removing the gst can help motivate the building of apartments. but is that really the best strategy? It seems like a gamble to me. If it's still more profitable to build over priced condos they'd stick to that. Having affordable apartments near by those condos may lower the demand for expensive condos. So it may not be in the best intrest of developers to make them, let alone make them last.
We'd need somthing a little more systemic. Somthing not dependent on doing the profitable, thing but doing what is nessary to ensure there is quality affordable housing.
Justin Trudeau could eliminate poverty, feed the world's hungry, and bring about world peace and you Eeyores would still find a way to chant, "TrUdEaU bAd!"
Conversely, he could do (well, did) essentially nothing for a few years while the housing and affordability crisis intensifies and somehow there'd still be a Greek chorus of red party kool-aid drinkers telling non-partisan Canadians that he's the second coming of Christ.
red party Kool-Aid drinkers
Is that a thing? Really? Or is that just blue party Kool-Aid drinker projection like the, "alt-left"?
I think that if you step out of your echo bunker and take an honest look you're going to find that many people who vote Liberal do so while plugging their noses. I do. Trudeau has been an incredible disappointment to me. He's far too right wing for my tastes. I would rather have a liberal leader who was actually a liberal rather than a center right corporate stooge. We just know that electing Pierre Polievre would be a far worse option.
Speaking of alt-right projection...can you name any alt-left talking heads, or alt-left organizations? Do you have any contemporary Canadian examples? I mean, most of us can name dozens of alt-right taking heads and alt-right organizations. I think that the alt-left is an alt-right boogieman made up by the alt-right to make itself feel better about its extremism. Like, "We're not as bad as everyone says we are because there's an alt-left that's doing the same things that were doing." but no one can name them.
Red party Kool-Aid drinkers are the same thing.
They're literally in a left echo chamber. Most of Lemmy is. And yet we don't see what they suggested happening - Trudeau being praised as the second coming. π Heavy innuendo.
Theyβre literally in a left echo chamber.
You mean, "reality"?
Well, kind of. While reality has a left bias, I don't think there are many CPC voters on lemmy.ca but they do exist in reality. I'm not complaining though! π It's nice being able to discuss reality without getting dragged into fantasy by reality denying voices.
Yup.
He wouldn't do that even if he could.
I have no love for the Liberals but this is indisputably good policy for incentivizing rental supply. Gotta give credit where it's due.
I would prefer to see more targeted measures to deter speculation, such as Singaporean-style heavy taxation of residential units owned by corporations, non-residents, and owners of multiple homes.
That to me is one of the few true solutions, and we know if works because it's been done elsewhere:
It hadn't worked prior to April 2023. It is really too early to tell if the elevated rates after that have worked.
A combination of the 2 sounds good actually. Heavy taxes as you mentioned but also exemptions for purpose built rentals (as an entire building, not individual units)
I agree that we need to incentivize the construction of more supply, but while adding supply takes a long time, reducing demand can be done with the stroke of a pen. Here are some ideas that can be implemented overnight:
- Singapore-style taxation of residential units sold to corporations, non-residents and people who already own a home.
- Yearly tax on residential units, offset by refundable tax credits. This means that only non-residents would pay this tax, discouraging foreign speculators.
- Switch from a property tax to a land value tax to discourage real estate hoarding. A land value tax encourages land to be used.
- Temporary reduction of immigration quotas of all kinds, to be progressively relaxed over time as specific housing targets are reached.
Yearly tax on residential units, offset by refundable tax credits. This means that only non-residents would pay this tax, discouraging foreign speculators.
Could it make sense to only be refundable for 1 unit? If someone has multiple units they should theoretically be paying enough tax for it to not make a difference. This would catch anyone who's a resident but not declaring any income.
What is the plan to avoid this just ending up as a bargain for the speculators that routinely up new properties to rent/resell at a markup? Is there something in the legislation to counter predatory practices?
Housing is financialized because itβs a scarce commodity. Removing scarcity removes financialization.
An abundance of housing improves options and lowers rents.
I don't know how I feel about these incentives. I feel like we should stop going through the market in solving this. Great amounts of money sink into it and don't come out elsewhere in the economy. I feel like some level of government itself should begin building rentals, perhaps hiring construction firms to do the actual builds. Make basic, robust designs and reuse them, driving the costs down. Get fast tracked approvals to build these everywhere in the large metropolitan areas. Offer rents at cost. I can't help but feel that if we keep going through the market, we're gonna keep getting "luxury" buildings that attempt to command higher rents to maximize profit. And then we end up paying this profit via the incentives we provide and the rents we pay. This feels terribly inefficient.
While you gotta start "somewhere", this is as close to "nowhere" as a govt could possibly go.
Goods and Services Tax (GST)
Lol, so a contractor build a 16 units rental condo for ~3 millions $, will not pay GST, and rent them 2500$/month.
How does it help people?
Ignoring these hypothetical numbers, an abundance of housing means more options for renters. In this case the developers have to compete for our rental money. This means lower rents.
This does reduce financial barriers. Good on the liberals.