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Canonical is planning an ‘All Snap’ desktop next year. It will likely be available side-by-side with the traditional deb-based installation we’ve been used to since 2004.

If the “All Snap” or “immutable” platform is to be a success, Canonical needs to get a grip on the broken, uninstallable, insecure, and outdated snaps provided in the snap store.

As I mentioned, there’s around five thousand snaps in the store. Hundreds of them haven’t been touched in years. Some developers have just abandoned their packages.

I want to see this situation improve. In general, Canonical should incentivise the promotion of applications and dis-incentivise letting applications languish.

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[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, so, pure Debian nowadays is damn fine. Pop is excellent. No need to bend the knee to this nonsense.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

Pop is a better Ubuntu than Ubuntu now IMO.

I really hope the Cosmic desktop turns out to be awesome, that could really set them apart if it works.

[–] yote_zip@pawb.social 10 points 1 year ago

I'll also put in a vote for Debian Stable as a desktop distro in 2023. Flatpaks have drastically increased Debian Stable's appeal for home users, and you can now comfortably run a real stable distro while having the ~dozen applications you actually care about stay up to date. If you need more than Flatpaks there's also Homebrew, Nix, Cargo, deb-get, etc.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

All snap desktop?

Hells no. Fuck everything about snap, it's godawful

[–] igorlogius@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

planning an ‘All Snap’ desktop next year.

I wonder where all the users are gonna migrate

[–] ithas@artemis.camp 7 points 1 year ago

I bounced to mint cinnamon as soon as this was announced. I miiggghhhtttt switch to arch as cinnamon hasn't quite made me feel like I'm able to do what I want, but I plan to at least try LMDE before that

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bingo.

Near 20 year Ubuntu user here, I'm on the lookout for something different. Probably debian, but I want KDE

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can use KDE on Debian, it's a checkbox in the installer or you can use a Calamares live iso with KDE.

[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah that is one of my favorite parts of Debian. You can just pick a DE in the installer or even use no DE in the install and apt install one. I don’t understand why so many distros try to lock you in to one DE.

[–] manpacket@lemmyrs.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NixOS. I'm going to migrate to NixOS by then.

[–] igorlogius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I migrated recently and am pretty happy with it. Once you have everything in configuration.nix setup, its like you dont even need to think about your system anymore if you dont want to. Everything just works and will continue to work and can even easily be replicated onto another system in case of hardware failure. Just make sure to keep your /home on a seperate nas/raid/drive and a backup of your configuration and hardware.nix and your golden.

[–] manpacket@lemmyrs.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yea, something like that. Using it on my laptop already. configuration.nix for system plus home-manager for user stuff. Will move the desktop soon-ish.

[–] stewie3128@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hopefully Debian or LMDE. Canonical is becoming a mini-Microsoft.

[–] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Could someone explain to me the advantage of using snap? I've never really got it. Repository systems with dependencies have always served me well and I've never felt the need for something else

[–] ThatHermanoGuy@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Security. You run apps in a confined, sandboxed environment and choose what they have access to on the host system. This is particularly important for third-party apps. It's much safer than installing some random deb you found on the web or adding a third-party PPA.

[–] NecoArcKbinAccount@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

good thing I left for manjaro

[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please for the love, hate, indifference, or whatever of god switch to Endeavor OS. I try not to criticize people’s distro choice but Manjaro is Endeavor OS with more bugs. If you have some reason that you can’t switch that’s fine, but if you can, please try Endeavor.

[–] NecoArcKbinAccount@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i didn't hear about manajiro's bad reputation until after i installed it, if i end up into issues i'll most likely switch.

[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I used it for a bit when I was starting to daily drive Linux, and I switched the second time it broke. It may end up working for you but just be mindful that it may stop working. I specifically recommended Endeavor because it is Arch based and would be a pretty seamless transition.

[–] cobra89@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why not endeavor? Manjaro holds back packages from the Arch upstream so if you install a newer package from the AUR it can possibly depend on packages Manjaro held back and break your install.

didn't hear about endevaour until after i installed manjaro, if i get any issues i'll most likely switch.

[–] SGHFan@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago

Snaps are junk. I'm on Nobara now, no complaints.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

People should move to Fedora, Mint, OpenSUSE, etc if they haven't already, then