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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Why this instead of an industry-standard station like an entry level Weller? The Wellers got replacement parts, especially tips which are consumables. I have the pervious 50W model and it has worked well in any job that can be done with that power level.

In my experience with soldering, the quality of the tip is the most important part. Then the quality of the solder and flux. Then having a set of soldering tools like wick, pump, stripper, and most of all - a third hand. Then temp adjustability. I had a digital solder station before I had those tools and I did almost as shitty solder jobs as I did with the basic Weller soldering iron I had before it. Once I got the ability to keep the parts stable so I can hold the solder in one hand and the iron in the other, introduce the solder at the joint and melt it in-place with the iron, like the manuals say, the quality went way up. I could even do some functional SMD work using my phone's macro cam as a microscope.

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I have one of these https://webcat.cornwelltools.com/JP213123-Cornwell%C2%AE-Cordless-Soldering-Iron-p371692246 as well as a traditional wired soldering iron. While I like the cordless soldering iron's portability and it's fine for solder cups or solder splicing wire, it's not adaptable enough for me to use on a PCB or for micro solder and if I'm honest I'd want a micro solder setup for that anyway. I've owned expensive soldering irons and cheap ones (my current corded model I believe is one of ifixit's), the general problem is that I have too many random tips lying around that I don't know which iron they go to. Some are junk (because the iron broke etc). Some probably could be used interchangeably.

At least with the cordless one the tips are replaceable, and pretty unique in appearance so I know exactly which iron they go to.

The problem with the cordless one is the heat it can generate and the fact that it's not adjustable. The problem with the corded one is that I have to lug a 50' extension cord up to every plane to use it, and often there's not a safe place to put it down while it's hot so I have to prep every solder cup, joint, splice etc and then plug it in and turn it on. I've got stands galore and none of them is the safest.

I'd be willing to try this out just for the sake of the added protections it provides.

[–] mbirth@lemmy.ml 175 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Have they not heard of the TS100 or the Pinecil?

Both run an open-source firmware and work with any USB-C PD battery pack and still allow you to configure the temperature.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 3 points 6 days ago

Ts80 that runs on qc3 is also very good. It keeps up with my large soldering station in real world use

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 108 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Considering that they sell one of those, I’m going to assume they’ve heard of it. ;)

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's very likely existing smart soldering pens were the inspiration.

iFixit even mentions they didn't include a screen like the Pinecil because most people don't actually mess with the settings that much when they are on the go.

[–] mbirth@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What they probably meant is they didn’t include a screen because this way they can sell their overpriced battery pack.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's definitely priced significantly higher than a similar setup from Pine64.

...but it also has some significant advantages and features the Pinecil does indeed lack.

I definitely think the Pinecil is aimed more at hobbyists and this iFixit iron is aimed at people who solder all the time, in other words, not hobbyists.

[–] mbirth@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Since the Pinecil is running IronOS, it’s just a matter of time for it to also get the fall detection. And apart from the LED ring gimmick, I don’t see any huge advantages over IronOS.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I personally see the PD for USB-C being 100W is a significant advantage as the Pinecil tops at 60W from USB-C and you have to search for a traditional barrel-plug power cord to get it to max out at 88W.

100W through USB-C and not even having a different power option seems pretty useful to me. *shrugs

[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I regularly power both my ts100 and Pinecil with a Milwaukee M18 battery and the barrel connector this is super convenient. The display is also convenient. The fact that you need the battery to set the temp seems numb and completely negates the USBC convenience because it means you can't use any old USBC power source and still change the temperature. The 100w is also pointless because the other two options already heat incredibly fast and have a higher max temperature.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago

I have a ts100, and the barrel plug is loose enough that it sometimes disconnects in the middle of working and loses its temperature setting. Got a Pinecil to replace it, but haven't used it much yet.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Those look pretty cool.

But I'm confused about the marketing around the cpu/ram, etc. Does that really matter for a soldering iron? (Serious question, not being snarky).

I get they're using that tech to make it adjustible/smart, but it's a soldering iron, not a pocket computer.

Is there some way those specs genuinely matter? Or is it just to say "we're using the latest tech to provide controls"?

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[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 week ago

Have they not heard of the TS100 or the Pinecil?

Of course they have.

An iFixit co-founder has been responding to questions over on Hacker News:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41521919

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[–] anubis119@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Tying a rechargeable battery to a single function device seems off-brand for iFixit.

  • edit, I am wrong. I didn't RTFM. Humble pie is good sometimes.
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s a multi-use battery.

The battery can be used to charge whatever you want. A phone, laptop, headphones, or anything else with USB. Also, the battery is user replaceable and the product repair diagrams are posted online.

IMHO, it looks like they’re practicing what they preach, and it’s all designed for longevity and right to repair.

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What I want from a battery soldering iron is a field-replaceable 18650 in the handle, not Webserial.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Build a 18650 battery bank and plug in a pinecil or ts100. A solder iron with a 18650 would be heavy and uncomfortable for soldering.

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ah any reason why Firefox decided not to include WebSerial?

Maybe you don’t want to buy the Station, or you left it at home. In either event, you can simply plug the iron into your computer and configure it via WebSerial.

You’ll need a browser based on Chrome to pull this trick off, as Mozilla has decided (at least, for now) to not include the capability in Firefox. In testing, it worked perfectly on both my Linux desktop and Chromebook.

Unfortunately, plugging the iron into your phone won’t work, as the mobile version of Chrome does not currently support WebSerial. But given the vertical layout of the interface and the big touch-friendly buttons, I can only assume that iFixit is either banking on this changing soon or has a workaround in mind. Being able to plug the iron into your phone for a quick settings tweak would be incredibly handy, so hopefully it will happen one way or another.

The WebSerial interface not only gives you access to all the same settings as plugging the iron into the Power Station does, but it also serves as the mechanism for updating the firmware on the iron.

[–] seang96@spgrn.com 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe this is one of those Google "F it I am going to make this protocol my own way without anyone else's input" which results in security concerns and also Mozilla prioritizes it being a browser more.

Searching serial looks like this is still the case. There are security and privacy concerns over it.

https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For those not wanting go search:

Mozilla's Position

Devices that offer serial interfaces often expose powerful, low-level functions over the interface with little or no authentication. Exposing that sort of capability to the web without adequate safeguards presents a significant threat to those devices. A user deliberately installing a site-specific add-on may be adequate, given sufficiently understandable consent copy.


Seems reasonable to me.

Google mainly built this WebSerial shit because they HAVE TO to make Chrome OS more than just a useless web browser.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good news, I guess?

https://github.com/kuba2k2/firefox-webserial

I've only used it to do some esp32 stuff with homeassistant, but it does work.

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