No thanks, i just want to make out with my Marilyn Monrobot
this post was submitted on 07 Jan 2024
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Interesting, so now we’re just doing away with the whole façade of dating apps having real women on them and just going straight to hooking up with AI bot girlfriends. I just downloaded one to see what the deal was and it wanted to charge me a subscription for the “privilege” of talking dirty and seeing images, I guess that’s the business model.
That's where the Free and Open Source AI Girlfriend comes in ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Personally I’d rather come in my Free and Open Source AI Girlfriend.
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Compete? Idk I think of it as a win win. I don't want to date a guy who would call a chatbot their gf, so sure, why not? Let them self select out of the dating pool. Mind you, it's not a real relationship because it's just a glorified autocomplete with rendered boobs, it's not alive and it's definitely not intelligent, artifical or other wise. Relationships are boundaries, growing together and appreciating the little moments of life. No LLM is gonna do that.
So sure. Let em have fun, Idc, but it's hella red flags to think it's real.
I think you are overestimating the value of “real”, if “real” can even be defined much less proven in many cases including love. Just look at religion and social media for examples of what the human mind is capable of creating an illusion around.
Don’t get me wrong, I do value things that you probably would consider real. But who am I to say they are.
Of course, I don’t believe AI girlfriends are going to completely replace relationships. But I do think that, much like online porn, they will be there – always accessible, always a temptation, always a source of instant satisfaction. And I think it’s likely that, for some, a real girlfriend just won’t seem enough on her own, especially considering nearly half of Replika’s users are already in a relationship or married.
Doesn't seem that bad tbh, the dynamic of men being expected to have zero emotional outlets other than their romantic partner has always been super toxic and doesn't make things better for anyone.
The only faint glimmer of optimism I can find in all this is that I think, at some point, life might become so stripped of reality and humanity that the pendulum will swing. Maybe the more automated, predictable interactions are pushed on us, the more actual conversations with awkward silences and bad eye contact will seem sexy. Maybe the more we are saturated with the same perfect, pornified avatars, the more desirable natural faces and bodies will be. Because perfect people and perfect interactions are boring. We want flaws! Friction! Unpredictability! Jokes that fall flat! I hold onto hope that someday we will get so sick of the artificial that our wildest fantasies will be something human again.
This article is pretty reasonable
Doesn’t seem that bad tbh, the dynamic of men being expected to have zero emotional outlets other than their romantic partner has always been super toxic and doesn’t make things better for anyone.
If we had been asked 50 years ago: "What will happen first, people turning to robots to avoid feeling alone, or men being allowed to be emotionally vulnerable in society?", what would have people replied?
Caves of Steel came out 70 years ago. The main character has a robot (detective) partner, but talking in the men's room is outlandishly taboo.
I’m in a men’s group where we act as that for each other, and the married ones’ wives love it because they don’t have to be the sole support system for their husbands any more.
Men are so closed off it’s horrible. I do sales and have so many customers and I can just see the loneliness in their eyes, their mannerisms. They continually consider their own needs and feelings to be rounding errors, like I was doing before this group.
I didn’t realize how deeply my sense of self had been crippled by our culture. I’ve never been in a more warm and supportive place than that group.
As a woman, I really feel bad for men in our society, especially straight men. They get very little positive interaction at all. I like to compliment strangers; it usually makes my day when somebody says, "I like your hair," or whatever, and I like to spread the joy. But I have to be cautious about giving compliments to men. A lot of them look at me weirdly if I say, "nice tie," or "snazzy shirt." I smile, say it, then move on so they don't feel obligated to respond. It appears most of them aren't used to it and don't know how to handle it. I guess other men don't compliment them (maybe for fear of being thought gay?) and women don't, either (for fear of encouraging stalking or harassing behavior). It makes me sad to think of all the lonely people who get no affirmation from anybody. I'm old enough now that my days of being constantly sexually harassed are over, so I feel safe offering a few nice words.
Gay men, OTOH, totally know how to give and take a compliment.
Ever heard of those beetles that prefer beer bottles to actual females because their brains say " big + brown + shiny = sexy", and the bottles are bigger, browner, and shinier than any female beetle?
" big + brown + shiny = sexy"
i can empathize
That last bit especially is why only fans exploded. You get to see the girl next door naked VS all the pornstars that sorta look the same and act the same.
I can look at porn when nothing better is available, while preferring real bodies. It may reduce how desperate I am to be in a questionable relationship though.
Maybe some may I’ll be able to chat with an AI girlfriend instead of spending all week only having work discussions. It’ll be better for my mental health when no one else is available, but I’d still prefer real conversation. It may reduce how desperate I am to be in a questionable relationship though
Twitter is estimated to have 48 million bots. Did you read about the Ashley Madison data breach from 2015? 12,000 of the 5.5 million registered female accounts were used on a regular basis, about 0.2%. "The women's accounts show so little activity that they might as well not be there." "we have absolutely no data recording human activity at all in the Ashley Madison database dump from Impact Team. All we can see is when fake humans contacted real ones."
I've literally never heard of a woman irl complaining about men having the option of a virtual girlfriend. If anything, they've seemed sympathetic to their plight.
I mean, strong possibility it wasn't a human that wrote the headline or article either.
Wasn't there a Futurama episode about this very thing?
Feeling the Torment Nexus vibes.
"You wanna come next door and make out, Billy?"
"Gee, Susan, that's an awful long distance for making out. I'd rather stay home and make out with my Monroe Bot."
Good luck fucking that AI vagina
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in floppy drive.
I have an idea, how about stop staring at your screens and go out and interact with people in the real world? Problem solved.
just kidding. I'm going to stare at my screen until I have to go to work tomorrow. Tomorrow at work I will deal with real humans for 8 hours and then I will go home and stare at my screen again.
go out and interact with people in the real world?
But like... Where? Even going to bars everyone is in their own groups with not a lot of mixing around. Especially since covid it seems like everyone is in their own bubbles. I've had like 4-5 conversations with strangers (that weren't forced business transactions) in the last year and most of those people weren't particularly interesting.
yeah this seems to be a problem in society the last few decades. In the old days, socialization was unavoidable, It was natural because people were never cooped up in their houses staring at screens because screens didn't exist yet. screens are killing us.
Just want to comment to say bars were shitty and only being able to interact in your very localized community was shitty, all the twenty somethings I talk to now are involved in interesting things, we'd sit drinking beer and debating which pop stars from the 70s are dead based on vague memories of news stories.
And 95% of the people you knew weren't friends they were just people you'd had so many boring conversations with that you both felt obligated to have another one if you're in the bar together.
The old days sucked every bit as much as now, probably less because kids don't seem to need to drink and take as many drugs as we did, they've got actual things that interest them and ambitions and stuff.
"Why can't you just have no valid feelings or emotions or hopes or dreams or needs or desires like my AI girlfriend? Why can't you just exist to please me and be "vaguely pleasant" in any and every situation?!" Glad to see incelism is alive and well.
This is actually written by a woman, who believes she can't even hope to care past her own needs or desires, or even pretend like an AI does.
This isn’t men complaining about women’s emotional needs here. This is women complaining about men’s needs.
Let’s just keep that in mind before we start getting too bitter about the possibility of incels finding emotional support.
Are you talking about the meme or my comment? I really don't know what you're trying to say, sorry.
“This” in my comment refers to the article titled “We can’t compete with AI girlfriends”
Women = bad
Or some shit
Is all of 4chan incels now?
fuckin incels man
Lol. Who would want to? The kind of guy who would be satisfied with AI is not someone a woman with the smallest shred of respect would want to be with.
That's what these guys don't realize: being with them is thoroughly worse than being single.
The kind of guy who would be satisfied with AI is not someone a woman with the smallest shred of respect would want to be with.
This is so goddamn cruel. Are people who are simply just so lonely they need to express their feelings to an AI so undeserving of love that it would feel humiliating to get close to them? I don't think about women that way.
Expressing feelings to an AI is not at all the same thing as considering it your girlfriend.
And it isn't about who is deserving of love. Everyone is. But 1. love doesn't have to be romantic to be valuable and 2. no matter how deserving sometimes is of receiving love, it's not an entitlement.
Someone incapable of recognizing that an AI isn't a real person and who expects a real person to fulfill a specific role is likely fundamentally abusive. No self-respecting woman should have to put up with controlling behavior just to make a man feel better about themselves. They need therapy. Not an AI girlfriend.
I've provided emotional support to my girlfriends when they needed it and I was able to provide it, and they did the same for me. If you only want to emotionally rely on a person who's listening to you because you're paying them, that's ok as a personal choice I guess, but the vast majority of mentally healthy people rely on friends, family and partners for emotional support. That aside, I feel like you have quite a twisted idea of the kind of person who uses a bot because they feel they don't have anyone who will listen to them.
I've heard of a guy who married a hologram app of Hatusne Miku, and it literally turned his life around having anything to talk to.
The loneliness epidemic is real, and as a former NEET, crippling social anxiety is a killer. Something that can put these vulnerable people in the position where they can function and get though the day is an objective good.
But AI is basically just talking to yourself. It won't really fix loneliness. All it can be is an illusion. A delusion. And I don't believe delusions can ever really be an objective good. Need something to talk to? Get a pet. Or a therapist until you can make a real friend.
It won't fix it, but it can mitigate it to an extent.
Pets are a expense and a responsibility, with conversations being one sided, so their less than ideal for shut ins who struggle to function to begin with.
Therapy could help, but is also an expense and still has the barrier of a direct interpersonal interaction.
Both of these also have the issue of intimacy being non-existent. An AI offers a chance for low stakes, human like interaction that can be intimate.
You're super closed minded. There's no need to be so mean... some people aren't good at socializing but it doesn't make them bad or disgusting people. If they can find comfort in this, what's the problem?
Pretty sure a lot of people that can find real partners will try this because it is a new experience. Aren't you curious? Don't you wonder if it is possible for YOU to fall in love with an AI? A lot of people who aren't closed-minded will probably accept the challenge.
I'm sure having an AI partner will be totally normal and socially acceptable in 50-100 years, specially if we give them bodies.
It's not mean to say that a woman shouldn't be romantically attached to someone who is incapable of relating to someone who is a real person, who actually thinks that an AI relationship is an acceptable replacement to messy human relationships. That's a serious mental problem that should be addressed in therapy, not made worse by plastic substitute for real human interaction.
It's like saying that people who are starving should be given candy to eat. Candy isn't going to give them what they really need. They need to start slow eating mild real food, and adjust their thought processes and habits. Then once they enjoy real food again, they will be ready for a 5-star experience.
No one is owed a romantic relationship, no matter how lonely they are. Expecting romance to ease your loneliness is a huge problem. AI is not going to solve their loneliness problem any more than candy can feed someone.
And for the record, I've been happily single for years. I know what I'm talking about.
Nothing is right or wrong, I think you have a very defined square of boundaries that you can't see beyond. If someone has social issues and can't find a person that matches with them, why is it bad for them to look for THEIR OWN happiness somewhere else?
Just let people enjoy their lives, there are no boundaries and no meaning, we're just here doing whatever the hell... Just do what you like and let others do what their like, as long as they don't hurt other people. There are people who date dolls or balloons, whatever man, let them do their thing, they aren't hurting anyone.
Imagine telling people from 150 years ago that today people get their sex changed through medical procedures.