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An erra is to come to an end as the Eu says enough is enough and introduces new rules and hefty fines.

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (4 children)

What does it mean to "open up" an operating system in this context? Do they mean something like the possibility to intall other OSes on their devices, or that the app stores needs to be more open? I'm guessing it does not mean they have to start open source:ing parts of the OS... or?

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably to allow proper sideloading of apps, instead of the contrived bullshit they already tried to pull.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I would love if device makers were forced to open up their hardware to other OSs. Unlockable bootloaders for all as well as allowing users to install their own signing keys so secure boot can remain enabled.

Granted, there would still be black box firmware required to use half the components inside, but that's another battle.

[–] kayazere@feddit.nl 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This should be a right of the consumer that purchased the hardware. Same goes for gaming consoles. You used to be able to officially install Linux on a PlayStation.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"But we're selling the hardware at a loss, so letting you own what you paid for would break our crappy business model" /s

[–] kayazere@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That didn’t force Value to lock down the Steam Deck.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd be okay with it even if it were on a time delay.

Like if device manufacturers had to publish their software in order to no longer officially support the device that would be a welcome compromise and at least a step in the right direction right?

[–] kayazere@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

Yes I think we this in addition to be able to unlock the boot loader. This allows the community to continue to provide security updates after the company abandoned the product through planned obsolescence.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah agreed to an extent but I would say a massive portion of those who installed linux attempted to pirate games. It makes sense to block it.

I'd prefer to mandate that they allow other stores on the consoles or mandate no advertisements or promotions on the console.

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's a lie.

The original Sony feature did not give access to all the hardware and thus it was not possible to play ps3 games on it.

Their ban actually motivated people to crack Sony's measures and install Linux with full access to the hardware.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Well it wasnt a lie it was an estimation of the use, I ws in that scene then and it was intrinsically linked to homebrew. I am a proponent of piracy and feel that media should be collected and stored to ensure we dont lost content in the years to come. But I emulate and pirate loads of games and consoles.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

From the last paragraph, it sounds like the intent is to make it easier to switch devices and services, which would be great

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

We are talking about lawmakers making this demand. They don’t have a fucking clue what the difference is between all these possibilities.

[–] LunchMoneyThief@links.hackliberty.org 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rather than waiting around for the legal system to nanny me, I've gone ahead and committed to only purchase hardware that does not attempt to restrict me.

[–] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Such as Android, (which some these restrictions seem to be coming to Android to to an extent.)

[–] mal3oon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The thing with AOSP though, that it has the potential to stand on its own, given a talented dev team behind it. I see this everywhere in the ROM communities. So actually Android is a great example, despite what a lot of people say about Google "monopoly".

I think you and I have different thresholds for what counts as 'not restricting the user'.

[–] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Hey EU! Microsoft is not letting me play Mario Odyssey on their closed system!! Fix it!

[–] h4lf8yte@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Let's make them open up their hardware instead with all the software or documentation needed to run it and have them compete with aftermarket operating systems.

[–] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 3 points 1 month ago

Hey comment section I forgot to add the URL to this post before posting it earlier today, I added it in now.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn… this is the first time I don’t agree with the outcome of an EU decision regarding Apple.

[–] dosaki@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why not? Opening up a system to competition usually makes it better, no?

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their stuff is designed to specifically work with their stuff, and that’s a big part of their IP.

[–] claudiop@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

The I in IP stands for intelectual; AKA, the clever things they reached with their thoughts. The artificial limitations are not IP, simply mechanisms they included exclusivity. They needn't be clever. if (!apple) { rejectApp(); hideDocs() } is not IP.

[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

Apple opening up would makes to mean toward them more. Still, I'm only going to get a new phone after 2026, after the EU's battery mandate in force.