wOn'T sOmEbOdY pLeAsE tHiNk oF ThE cHiLdReN- how about doing some actual parenting? also it's not like this will stop illegal content, what a joke
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After bouncing back and forth between the house of lord's and the house of commons This bill is a shadow of it's former self. I'm glad to say.
Three things that were massively damaging for privacy and security have, as far as I can see, been scrapped.
- The bill no longer requires tech companies to control 'harmful but legal' content. A blurry, ill defined concept that would have been impossible to regulate.
- The bill no longer requires all end to end encrypted communication channel's (WhatsApp etc) to have a backdoor for governments and enforcement agencies to access unencrypted messages between people. Something that would have broken effective security in every way.
- The bill no longer requires porn to only be accessible to UK citizens after they have proven they are an adult. This was by providing bank details or ID to porn websites (lol no thanks), possibly through a third party company that is supposed to assure some privacy ( lol still no thanks).
And what's left in the bill is going to be regulated by Ofcom, a toothless underfunded shell of a regulatory body.
Can I ask where you got this info from? The article says the bill is 300 pages long. I'm never getting through all that.
Edit: the article also claims age verification for porn sites is still in there?
Sure. I've not read it either but here's what I've found.
Removal of encryption backdoors - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/britain-admits-defeat-in-online-safety-bill-encryption
Removal of 'harmful but legal' - https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/29/uk-online-safety-bill-legal-but-harmful-edit/
Age verification isn't so clear cut but there's room for a lot of hope. What 'age verification' is going to be in the bill is yet to be determined by Ofcom.
.. Which is law makers kicking the can down the road... or passing the buck. Probably because it's unenforceable and a technical/ privacy nightmare. Maybe it will amount to something, in which case we should be afraid, but I think most likely it will amount to not much.
Full bill is here if you have a spare 3 days to read it all - https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/52368/documents/3841
Again, the necessity for encryption backdoors has not been removed, simply paused.
It is still in there.
re your 2nd point, that's most certainly not been scrapped. The language has changed to basically say, they're aware thetech doesn't currently exist to do this but as soon as it does, it must be done. It's a temporary reprieve at best.
Don't worry, allmof that will be back on the table again next year, and then the next and the next, untill it passes.
Remember kids, if you want to be a good evil politician, you just keep pushing and pushing and pushing your evil shit until people tire and it passes.
This shit has been on the table at just about all governments since at least 2 decades. It just returns each year with a new name, same shit.
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Guess V for Vendetta will come true as the U.K. has fallen to Fascism.
We recently passed a law that enables the UK to indefinitely detain adult and children refugees and asylum seekers. I'm sure they'll be building camps next.
This government has no morals.
The nazis scared britain so bad during ww2 they want to try it themselves.
Well, people have actively been trying for decades. National Front, British National Party, UKIP, anything Nigel Farage touches, they all have elements of white supremacy, various other forms of bigotry, or "Traditional British Values".
Next they come to birkenau: „Guten Tag, wir hätten gerne die historischen Baupläne für ihre Öfen“
And that's another part of this bill - discussion of 'illegal immigration' is now forbidden.
Is it a blanket ban on all discussion of illegal immigration or is it something more specific? Like discussing plans to help immigrants or something.
If it is a complete ban, how will online news outlets cover the subject?
Unknown at this stage. I suspect it's being kept intentionally vague so they can shutdown whatever they like but leave up the GB News/Daily Heil type propaganda.
England prevails.
I fucking hate this country
It is a consistent embarrassment and detriment to the world.
"safety"
The posts are going out all over Europe; we shall not see them lit again in our life-time.
Are they going to ban LGBT people from the internet like the US is trying to do?
Scotland should leave asap.
Since you can't get an internet contract as kid by yourself, why is this even a thing to require check for legal age?
Kids using the ISP in their homes, using wifi in a public place etc.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Online Safety Bill has taken years to agree and will force firms to remove illegal content and protect children from some legal but harmful material.
The bill has had a lengthy and contentious journey to becoming law, beginning six years ago when the government committed to the idea of improving internet safety.
The idea that inspired the bill was relatively simple, scribbled down on the back of a sandwich packet by two experts, Prof Lorna Woods of the University of Essex and William Perrin of the charitable foundation Carnegie UK.
Dame Melanie Dawes, chief executive of Ofcom, called the bill's passage through parliament "a major milestone in the mission to create a safer life online for children and adults in the UK."
"Very soon after the Bill receives Royal Assent, we'll consult on the first set of standards that we'll expect tech firms to meet in tackling illegal online harms, including child sexual exploitation, fraud and terrorism," she added.
There is a lot staked on the success of the bill - not only the safety of children and adults, but also the UK's ambitions as a tech hub and possibly, if things go wrong, continued access to popular online services.
The original article contains 785 words, the summary contains 201 words. Saved 74%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
Kinda left out the important bits, quoted below
Platforms will also need to show they are committed to removing illegal content including:
child sexual abuse
controlling or coercive behaviour
extreme sexual violence
illegal immigration and people smuggling
promoting or facilitating suicide
promoting self-harm
animal cruelty
selling illegal drugs or weapons
terrorism
New offences have also been included in the bill, including cyber-flashing and the sharing of "deepfake" pornography.
And the bill includes measures to make it easier for bereaved parents to obtain information about their children from tech firms.
Online safety campaigner Ian Russell has told the BBC the test of the bill will be whether it prevents the kind of images his daughter Molly saw before she took her own life after viewing suicide and self-harm content online on sites such as Instagram and Pinterest.
Digital rights campaigners the Open Rights Group said the bill posed "a huge threat to freedom of expression with tech companies expected to decide what is and isn't legal, and then censor content before it's even been published".
Lawyer Graham Smith, author of a book on internet law, said the bill had well-meaning aims, but in the end it contained much that was problematic.
"If the road to hell is paved with good intentions, this is a motorway," he told the BBC.
He said it was "a deeply misconceived piece of legislation", and the threat it posed to legitimate speech was likely to be "exposed in the courts".
And popular messaging services such as WhatsApp and Signal have threatened to refuse to comply with powers in the bill that would force them to examine the contents of encrypted messages for child abuse material.
Wikipedia has also said it can't comply with some of the requirements of the bill.
After royal assent the baton will pass to the communications regulator, Ofcom, who will be largely responsible for enforcing the bill.
It will draw up codes of conduct that will provide guidance on how to comply with the new rules.
Those who fail can face large fines of up to £18m, or in some cases executives could face imprisonment.
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VPN subscriptions in the UK will be a lucrative market then for people wanting access to, let's see, Wikipedia...
I'm interested to know what the Signal President meant when she said she's much more optimistic about working with the government than she originally was.
The thing is it obviously does come from good intentions, and it's very rare you'll find me saying that about something to do with the Tories. But it's so obviously the wrong approach and yet here we are. Thanks for nothing. Yet again.
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