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Appimages, snaps and flatpaks, which one do you prefer and why?

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[–] ChristianWS@lemmy.eco.br 26 points 1 year ago

As far as I know, Flatpaks have the best foundation currently, there are a number of issues, but they are fixable and not entirely by design. And with Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite and OpenSUSE MicroOS you can really see how native debs/rpms/whatever isn't really that good of an idea for the average user and Flatpak is a solution to that.

Appimages at a glance seems like a perfect solution for apps that for some reason or another needs to be kept outdated. But there is (was?) an issue of it not really bundling everything it needs, it looks and behaves as it is portable, but as far as I'm aware, it really isn't.

And then there's Snap. Yeah, that one is just weird, it honestly just doesn't feel like a proper solution to any of the problems it tries to fix.

[–] MrBubbles96@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None. I prefer native packages. AUR usually has me covered and hasn't broken my system...ever, really. Yet, anyways. (Well, it might have broken my Manjaro install, but it is Manjaro, so i probably sneezed wrong)

....but, if I had to pick one? Flatpaks. Outta the three, they've given me the least trouble and just work right out the gate. Still prefer native packages tho

[–] Kalcifer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Flatpak -- It's not without it's own issues, of course, but it does the job. I'm not fan of how snaps are designed, and I don't think canonical is trustworthy enough to run a packaging format. Appimages are really just not good for widespread adoption. They do what they are designed to do well, but I don't think it's wide to use them as a main package format.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Flatpak is my preference since it supports multiple remotes (repos) and sandboxing. With flatseal tweaking the sandbox is also easy.

Snaps work great on Ubuntu and support cli tools as well as system components. But their sandboxing doesn't work on many distros and the one and only repo is controlled by one company. If I'm not on Ubuntu, I don't see any reason to choose it over flatpak.

Appimages are great for putting on a USB stick or keeping a specific version of software. But I want to install software from a trusted repository, which Appimages support at best as an afterthought.

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[–] neurodivergentAF@reddthat.com 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Snaps is too well controlled by Canonical and does have it's limits.

Flatpaks can be very secure, and works in most distros. It is one of my favorites.

AppImages are real easy, and is designed to work on most distros. The only problem is that many apps aren't current. So I don't recommend it unless an app provides it on their own sites. AppImages are often made by somebody else.

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[–] JaxiiRuff@pawb.social 15 points 1 year ago

Flatpak for sure, appimages are okay in certain circumstances and snaps are trash.

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

pacman or from source 😎 (i am superiour because i make it harder for myself)

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I prefer flatpacks. There's nothing wrong per se about snaps, it's just that they are kinda slow, and Canonical is untrustworthy.

Appimages are to be avoided, imo. They are no better than downloading random crap like on Windows.

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[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Real talk? I genuinely don't care. I have actual work that needs to get done. I'm going to use whatever I can to make that faster/easier. Of all the decisions I need to make in a day, this is a pretty inconsequential one.

[–] Rega@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Flatpak is the best one imo. Never used appimages, and snap is pure trash (close source, slow, made by canonical). Overall, native packages are imo the way to go, but flatpak is also fairly good.

[–] KotoWhiskas@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Snap isn't really closed source, it's common misconception, the closed source is only backend (canonical servers), the snap core itself, which is installed on Ubuntu, is fully open source

Edit: snap definitely sucks tho

[–] michaelrose@emacs.ch 8 points 1 year ago

@KotoWhiskas @sohrabbehdani @Rega If you can't effectively use it without the closed source part being open doesn't mean much.

[–] chickenwing@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Flatpacks give me the least trouble so I guess those. All though appimages seem alright too. Snaps however seem to never want to install. I like the idea of easy one click installs for every distro but I think we are a few years away from that.

[–] sohrabbehdani@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes flatpaks are great but their only downside is the download size of an application

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[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

AppImage is a nice idea, and avoids some of the performance overheads from containerised systems, but lacks a reasonable self update mechanism, lacks code signing and the desktop integration (having icons show up in the start menu) is poorly implemented.

Snap is essentially a Canonical-proprietary apt replacement with some very serious drawbacks around performance and desktop integration (themes).

Flatpak has some drawbacks but it largely achieves it's design goals, and actually provides some advantages over installing things via the system package manager.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

none of them. I don't like the idea of putting security updates in the hands of the developers of each individual application I use.

Oh your app only works with an old broken insecure version of the library? Fuck you then, you can't just decide to install and use the insecure version.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Interesting idea, didn't think about this before. Still you could argue because of the sandboxed nature, those outdated libraries should'nt be much of a problem?

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

example, suppose there was a bug in openssl's prime number generation code. It will generate insecure keys.

No amount of sandboxing can help with that. The bug is discovered and the next day I run 'pacman -Syu' (I use arch, btw) and the problem is gone systemwide, except for any flatpaks or appimages etc. Those will only get updates (and stop leaking my data) if and only if its maintainer actually gives a fuck, is still alive and active. If not, you're sol

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[–] callyral@readit.buzz 8 points 1 year ago

Although I mostly use native software, I find AppImages useful for testing beta software, since they're one file and easy to try out.

For example: I've been using it with the Krita 5.2 beta and I have also used it before for Godot betas.

I use Flatpak when the native package doesn't work properly or isn't updated at the rate I'd like, although there are cases where I will use it for other reasons, like sandboxing when I don't want an app to have access to everything.

I have never used snaps.

[–] Rhabuko@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Flatpaks because their updating works (compared to my experience with Appimages) and the Apps starting instantly (compared to my limited experience with snaps). But sadly, a lot of production software doesn't want to support either of this package formats? I haven't seen support from Davinci Resolve or Mari, as an example.

[–] sohrabbehdani@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

those softwares are released with their own installer ( davinci resolve for example )

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[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

IME Appimages often don’t work cause they don’t actually bundle everything they need (not sure if this is a fault of application developers, or some limitation). When they do work I actually prefer them to Flatpaks, which are honestly too complex IMO.

Snap kinda sucks

[–] throwawayish@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I prefer Flatpaks by a wide margin. This presentation by openSUSE's Richard Brown is a great watch for those looking for a thorough comparison.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same here. I don't really like Appimages because (AFAIK, unless there's some tool I don't know about) you have to just check each one individually for updates which feels old fashioned, like Windows.

Snap is just a worse version of Flatpak as far as I can tell, so I don't bother with it.

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[–] buwho@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago
[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Appimage, but only if I can't get the program to compile from source first.

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[–] Parodper@foros.fediverso.gal 6 points 1 year ago

Flatpaks for graphical apps and guix for CLI programs and libraries.

[–] TheHawaiianKoala@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Appimages could've been great if they had a store front like Flatpak, so while I do not always prefer Flatpak (because of how big the first download is) I use it the most.

[–] sohrabbehdani@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is a store for them called appimage pool which is written in flutter and its also an appimage itself. https://appimage.github.io/AppImagePool/

[–] TheHawaiianKoala@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Wow, thank you for this.

[–] stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

If I'm not using the package manager, I use mostly Flatpak. I will use a random AppImage here and there.

I prefer those two because I can pick when I update them, and I've not had a lot of issues so far. I don't like Snap because it reminds me too much of Windows Update. I know it can all be adjusted to my taste, but I already have an option that works out of the box.

[–] eroc1990@lemmy.parastor.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For personal use, Flatpak when there's no native option, in most cases. They always seem to work and with Flatseal, you can more finely control permissions and local filesystem access of them.

For servers, if it's a single-purpose VM (like I do with my PiHole/AdGuard servers), I'll also go native. Otherwise, Docker for compatibility and ease of management.

[–] worsedoughnut@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I prefer the AUR, but if I have to use one of the three it's gotta be an AppImage these days.

I used to swear by flatpak, but because I'm on nvidia it just turns into a stupidly bloated mess since it never removes older driver versions. They're certainly not "bad" though, and I use them on my SteamDeck for sure.

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[–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've used Flatpak, it feels somewhat sluggish;
I had once upon a time used Snap (unwittingly), never again;
Appimages... with a lack of options, they seem to run well, although the two I've used seem to take away quite the chunk of memory.

But if it's a reasonable choice, I'll always go with natively distributed or locally compiled binaries. They may be janky sometimes, but in my opinion they beat the "just ship the entire computer br0" philosophy that clearly comes from the Windows ecosystem.

[–] Lucky@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How does that philosophy come from Windows? Windows was all about tying your application directly to the host OS via the old .net framework and COM. You had to wait for the OS to update before your app could, or the OS could randomly update and break your app

Containers as a technology are almost entirely a Linux thing as well, Windows ships with a full Linux kernel to support it now.

[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 5 points 1 year ago

Out of the three, I prefer Flatpaks. Mainly because they have a nice centralized-capable model for performing updates (but not locked centralized like Snaps are), and I can't say I've personally run into a distro where Flatpaks didn't work.

I haven't taken a look at them from a developer standpoint, but from what I hear the development experience isn't bad? If that isn't the case though, I'd love to hear more about why.

[–] StimulatedYorkie@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago
[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago

Pacman > Flatpak > won't use it

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Neither. I exclusively use Nix packages. If I had to pick, AppImage because I can easily extract it to package for Nix :P

[–] linad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

i use arch just so i don't have to use any of these

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Tippon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm still trying them out, but if they work as advertised, then AppImages. That's mostly because I use my desktop and laptop pretty much equally, so being able to copy and AppImage from one to the other and keep going would be really handy.

On a similar note, if a computer dies, being able to just copy and paste them to a new computer, or run them from a portable drive would be great.

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[–] CypherPsycho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Drito@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

The arch repos are enough for me except two softwares so I downloaded them as appimages. Appimages are enough for my small needs.

None of them

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think I've ever actually found a flatpack in the wild. Not a fan of snaps but have a few appimages that seen to work fine.

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