I'm out of the loop, what is WP Engine and why is the rich weirdo in control of WordPress being so weird about it?
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WordPress is open source, there's a foundation and stuff. The Matt Mullenweg, the guy that started the software and CEO of Automatic (which is the main company) is super upset that WP Engine (another company) is using the software without contributing much to the foundation.
I mean it's a valid gripe, but there's not much anyone can do about it. But Matt Mullenweg is, like you say, being super weird about it.
Based on entries to his personal blog and social media posts, Mullenweg has been on safari in Africa this week. Mullenweg did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Cherry on top, lmao. Of course he's off doing rich white CEO things.
Homeboy going to shoot a Giraffe for the trophy room.
This whole thing just makes me want to steer clear of wordpress entirely.
I'm not sure what in the history of WordPress would have encouraged anyone to do otherwise.
I’ve been using WP for personal projects for something like 15 years.
Nothing I’ve ever created has been that big, but I generally liked the tools nonetheless.
But now I think I’m out. I try to adhere to a rule where I don’t support rich weirdos as much as possible, and as such that’s why I use Lemmy to begin with. And don’t buy from Amazon. And don’t use Twitter any more. Etc.
So my next project now will totally be on new software. And hey, maybe I won’t have to use PHP ever again so this could be a win.
Don't judge PHP by what you saw in WordPress. Modern PHP is amazing, WordPress had horrible code when it started and they definitely didn't fix things afterwards. It's a horrible slow mess of a code. Look at some modern PHP (for example this api of mine ) to compare.
Thanks for sharing a modern php codebase. It makes me confident that giving it up and switching to Python was the right choice.
lol
Ah enjoy your single thread. I'll be there writing writing kick ass code in rust and wondering about important stuff like... err... who owns that fucking variable....
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Nice code, good job!
Have you tried Ghost?
I lived through the time when every other website was a malware farm because of that POS platform.
I don't think there is a single other piece of software that inspire me so much hate as wordpress so I'm really rooting for a complete implosion of anything WP related and that Mullenweg end up forced to sell his body for food in Pattaya.
I'd just like to point out that WordPress is GPL, so anyone could do whatever they want with the code, including Auttomatic. If people using the software in a way that, although uncool, is totally something they agreed to, the best bet would be to leave WordPress as-is and spin continued development into a new product with a new license. Would people like it? No. Do people like this, though? Hell no.
The GPL is not a "whatever" license.
No, but it’s basically a “I can use it to build my billion-dollar business and keep the profits if I want” license. The only real catch is that if I decide to modify the code and distribute it, I’m required by the license to share those changes with whoever gets the modified version. There’s nothing in the GPL that stops me from being a downstream freeloader, and I can stay on whatever version I like—no one’s forcing me to update to newer ones with terms I don’t agree with. Forking and modifying for my own needs is totally fine, as long as I slap the same GPL on the changes if I hand them out.
“I’m not affiliated with WP Engine” is this nerd generation’s “I’m 18 or older, let me in.”
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Luckily I moved to Hugo static site generator 3 years ago.. peweff.. I love PHP, but boy Wordpress was going down hill back then. And still is to this day. Introducing "features" nobody asked for. And at the same time makes your site slow.
As someone that made enough money to make a freelance career from moving people off of awful WordPress sites, WP's reputation has been in the toilet for a decade, easily. The CMS market has been strong for a long time, and there are countless better options out there.
With the push towards API backends and static sites, WP should have died years ago. I still cannot believe it's so popular.
Which other options would you recommend?
If you want a standard CMS, you can't really go wrong with Umbraco. Some people are turned off by .NET, but for developer experience alone it's the best I've ever worked with.
There are many good choices, if you're looking for something more lightweight. Kirby, IndieKit, Concrete5, even Ghost are all solid. I also remember hearing about ClassicPress a while back, that was a fork of WP made during some technical and business decisions that some in the community didn't agree with - never used it though, and it's a fork of a time when the WP codebase was a joke.
Isn't Umbraco the one that struggled loading a page that didn't exist, taking several seconds to load the PageNotFound page and causing very high CPU load in the meantime? Like, an issue they had for years?
Somehow I don't have great faith in that solution, but perhaps it's improved in recent years.
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Haven’t used anything related to Wordpress in 15 years. Seems I’ll make that a permanent decision now.
I run a WordPress site but I'm not a developer.
It seems like automatticuses the community for free development and profits from it. They in turn develop and support it, heck they created it.
However, with foss its free for WP engine to use and they dont like it. So they are throwing a hissy fit and making out its about the community and giving back. BS.
I assume it will fork.
I assume people will actually leave to other platforms, maybe Ghost, maybe Hugo or Jekyll.
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Do you condemn WordpressEngine?!
** Church organ music intensifies...
"I do renounce him."
Priest: and all his works?
"I do renounce them."
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Fork or CEO getting booted out in 3... 2... 1...
Personally I'd love to see the CEO thrown out. Maybe then Tumblr will benefit as well.
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I remember when I thought Matt's awfulness was only going to affect Tumblr, how naive of me
100% of wordpress™ users in recent poll agree that...
Are you now, or have you ever been... a WP Engine customer?
Nope. I have used WordPress on a blog or two, but I didn't know what WP Engine was until a couple of weeks ago.
Sorry if you took that as a literal accusation, it was meant to be some light-hearted McCarthyism satire cast upon this whole sad state of affairs.
You have to check the box to log in if you want to delete your account
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I'm gonna start checking out Ghost, at this point. This is ridiculous.
And if Ghost doesn't work, then ClassicPress it is.
Welp I'm done, just started talking to my clients about moving to SquareSpace.
Imagine thinking moving from a FOSS self-hosted software to proprietary SaaS shit is an upgrade lmao
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