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[โ€“] xc2215x@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

A good apology. I don't think they knew.

[โ€“] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I went to a remembrance day ceremony in a church last year and then later found out one of the soldiers we honored was SS. The person that put his name in even made excuses like "everybody thought they were fighting the good fight" etc etc. It's a good thing it was a posthumous honor, because if he was there I would have been on the phone.

There are a lot of people who are still unsure about whether the Nazis were really evil, or just on the other side of a bad war, and trying to erase, or whitewash their relatives crimes. It isn't a partisan thing either, as the church group is very much not Liberal leaning.

[โ€“] mp3@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This sounds like an article title straight from the Beaverton ๐Ÿค”

[โ€“] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not an anti Trudeau idiot ... I don't mind the liberal party .. I support the Trudeau government ... I'm an NDP supporter personally

But in an age of mass communication, information at everyone's finger tips, government agencies with endless personal data, legions of communication professionals and government researchers, assistants upon assistants checking, double checking everything ....

How the hell does something like this happen?

It either shows how dumb the government can be

Or

It was deliberate and just another distraction for all of us to fight about.

In a time when everything is so meticulously monitored, catalogued and manufactured ... I really have my suspicions about all this.

Now the headlines, especially conservative ones will talk about this for the next month.

Was it just another planned event to clog up the conversation for another month? Or is the government really this dumb?

The Speaker of the House, who is a Liberal MP, has taken full responsibility for it, so yes they are that dumb. Or, at the very least, he is.

[โ€“] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Speaker of the House Anthony Rota apologized Sunday for honouring a man who fought in a Nazi unit during the Second World War.

Rota was responding to condemnation from Jewish groups and others stemming from a moment during Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's visit to Parliament on Friday.

I wish to make clear that no one, including fellow parliamentarians and the Ukraine delegation, was aware of my intention or of my remarks before I delivered them," Rota said.

"The independent Speaker of the House has apologized and accepted full responsibility for issuing the invitation and for the recognition in Parliament.

"The fact thatย this individual, and by proxy the organization he was a member of, was given a standing ovation in the House of Commons is deeply troubling," Dan Panneton, a director with the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Centre, told CBC News on Sunday.

In a statement on Friday, Pierre Poilievreย accused the prime minister of responsibility for the incident and called for him to apologize.


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[โ€“] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm so confused on what the hell happened here ๐Ÿ˜†

The speaker invited Hunka to Parliament on the day zelensky was there. Then praised the former Nazi?

Was this some house of cards season 11 move?

[โ€“] grte@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I get the strong impression that this is a case of the Speaker not doing their due diligence on understanding Hunka's background and everyone else not having the knowledge of history to understand what they were applauding. A monumentally stupid screw-up rather than parliament all turning out to be crypto-fascists.

[โ€“] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But the speaker went to school for political science. Its not like he's some random real estate agent turned politician. This is somebody who studied politics in school and worked in government his entire life.

[โ€“] grte@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That doesn't mean he took any particular interest in the eastern front of WW2. Particularly here in Canada where we are very much western front dominated in terms of how we tend to cover that era of history.

[โ€“] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just would assume that he would have studied that area at some point and have been aware

[โ€“] grte@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think that's a safe assumption. Political science and history will cover some of the same ground out of necessity, but getting down into the details of unit leader names is a bit out of scope and too in the weeds for a poli-sci major to study unless they took an interest and specifically took a class covering it.

[โ€“] Rocket@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But the speaker went to school for political science.

Like 40 years ago. Even if he did happen to study this guy back then, who remembers such things? It is not like we're talking about Hitler here. The person honoured is not particularly notable.

[โ€“] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It looks like they found a Ukrainian veteran who had fought the Soviets, and didn't bother to consider the context.

[โ€“] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm struggling to believe they're that negligent. Its like an episode of the office or a Beaverton article