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Why do the instances keep going down? It makes me think that this is not a reliable social network, but the alternatives are not as good.

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 91 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're thinking about it the wrong way. Despite a major hub of lemmy being down if you have an account on another instance you can continue using the network nearly as though nothing had happened. Individual instances may have greater or lesser reliability but the social network is very robust.

[–] trashhalo@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If thats how Lemmy should be used it would be helpful if we could identify yourself across servers. Like email has pgp that lets you sign your emails to prove it's really you. Would be cool. 😎

[–] favrion@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I follow nine other instances.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Then you should appreciate that the reliability of the social network is just fine. The idea is this social network isn't dependent on one instance.

Now, granted, if a big one struggles, the network loses some communities temporarily, but the network is stable and other instances remain active.

It's just growing pains from an extreme influx almost literally overnight and generally just that this is somewhat early days. It's going to be messy, it always is early on, no matter what the social network.

Also...there's a non-zero chance it's getting hit relentlessly by DDOS.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read that it was a DDOS but I wonder what the motivation for doing that is? It isn't like you can extort any money out of lemmy.

Some people are just spiteful shitheads. Also, there's been a bit of a wave of DDOS attacks against US-registered sites lately- Archive of Our Own, a fanfiction website, got DDOSed a few weeks back. Seems like they're going after any site that doesn't have good DDOS protection and is based in the US.

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[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy is still alpha software, thrust into the limelight by the fall of Reddit. It is still in its infancy. Reddit has had over 18 years to get it right. So it will take some time.

[–] favrion@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I didn't think of it that way.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

Lemmy.world is super big AND being attacked constantly. Smaller instances don't have these issues and they are stable and fast. You can still subscribe to everything from Lemmy.world and your instance will remain up even when Lemmy.world is down.

I'm on lemmy.today and it's fast and stable. Come join us and you will see.

Basically use the fediverse the way it was meant to be used.

[–] Parodper@foros.fediverso.gal 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can still subscribe to everything from Lemmy.world and your instance will remain up even when Lemmy.world is down.

I had no idea, just tried and you are right. Do you know if everything works the same, like moderation?

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah it's all federated. If you get banned from a community on Lemmy.world, you will not be able to access it from Lemmy.today for example (with your lemmy.today user account).

This is the really super cool part about the fediverse. People don't realize.. This is where the magic is.

If Lemmy.world is down, you still access posts and threads and make posts etc from lemmy.today.. And it all syncs when Lemmy.world is up again.

Another mind blowing moment is when you realize you can read and post on Lemmy from Mastadon.... So you can combine interacting with Mastadon and Lemmy in the same conversion.

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[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've started a 2nd account on another instance just for situations like that.

[–] charlieb@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do you keep communities aligned across the accounts?

[–] CMahaff@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I made a tool that can help: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim

It allows you to synchronize subscriptions, blocks, and profile settings between accounts.

(though FYI different versions only gracefully handle a specific API version at a time so there's some limitations right now as instances upgrade from 0.18.2 to 0.18.3 - see my comment here: https://lemmy.ml/comment/2094948 )

EDIT: Second link isn't working - must be a Lemmy bug. But you can see it as a recent post on my profile.

[–] charlieb@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Wow looks cool, will have to check it out soon!

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[–] bentropy@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's definitely bad if you can't use a service you'd like to use but one has to remember that this isn't run by someone with millions of dollars at their fingertips. And the reason for that is simple: This service doesn't exploit it's users.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Best bet is probably to create an account on Lemmy and another on Kbin. Not only is it simply not likely for two instances to go down, but they're also different platforms, so further decreases the likelihood. And you can see all the same content.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

That db migration must be massive for them given there's an 80% expected size decrease.

[–] randomguy2323@geddit.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Its on its infancy and remember this is not run by a big corporation its run by volunteers. If you dont like feel free to go back to reddit.

Edit: Hey guys so yeah this comment was too harsh against newcomers to the platform and I would like to apologize.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While you are correct, your tone is quite dismissive and unwelcoming. If it's to be a replacement, it's reliability is relevant. On most of the update posts ive seen, users are generally appreciative of the work done.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world isn't meant to replace Reddit. The fediverse and various implementations of the ActivityPub protocol are. Lemmy and Kbin appear to be some of the frontrunners, but lemmy.world isn't a lynchpin. Other Lemmy instances are up. And it's a bit naive to expect mostly volunteer servers to have the same uptime as a well-founded corporation. And let's remember, reddit used to go down a lot more early in its life compared to late in life (and it'd still go down then).

Plus, it's still a bit entitled to expect uptime just because they have an intent to provide what they believe is a better service than reddit. It's not only about folks ingesting content, but also those who create and moderate.

It's reliability has been pretty good all things considered.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't disagree, but discussing reliability and access shouldn't be met with suggestions to leave the community.

It may be entitled to expect uptime for a volunteer service but it's also entitled of the project as a whole to expect users if the service is not usable.

I've had good reliability. My home instance advises when updated are planned and are normally for minutes. The timeline is generally rough estimates, with the caveat that the admin is doing it outside their usual work hours. The users thank them for the update and take an interest.

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[–] thevoyagekayaking@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, if it's a roll of the dice whether the platform will be accessible on any day, people will eventually go somewhere else.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

But it's the fediverse. I mean, you're still using the platform as we speak.

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[–] And009@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You got me in the first half... But then

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[–] spleenfiesta@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was actually scrolling through to see if anyone posted anything about the outage hahaha. Do they make announcement posts to warn about an outage for Lemmy version updates?

[–] favrion@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently not. I had no warning.

[–] spleenfiesta@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

At least we got other instances, so we can keep scrolling lol

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Other comments seem to indicate it's not a planned outage but just the server getting too many hits.

[–] Ecksell@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lemmy.one is down too. That’s where all my subscriptions are :(

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe we should just sticky this post 😫

[–] jordanlund@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Same for lemmy.one the past few days. I set up a kbin account to keep going. :(

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