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Trump Assassination Attempt Megathread: (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by jordanlund@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world
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The first pinned post can be found here:

https://lemmy.world/post/17530961

That's where all the engagement and comments can be found, and I'd encourage everyone to participate there.

The reason for THIS post is to direct everyone there.

I'm getting multiple reports that some people can't see it for some reason. Could be Federation, could be they blocked the user who posted it.

Here's hoping you all can see THIS one and move over to where everyone else is engaged.

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[–] cyd@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Whelp... Biden was insistent on running, now the Monkey's Paw has answered. All the other plausible Dems who could have stepped in to replace Biden will be running for the hills, and being the Democratic nominee is gonna be the worst job in politics for the next four months. And at the end of the campaign he gets to be remembered by history as the loser in the worst landslide election since Reagan-Carter.

Also:

  • Sonia Sotomayor's decision not to retire during Biden's term is looking like yet another D own goal. Very real prospects for a 7-2 Supreme Court.

  • We're going to be seeing an orgy of foreign governments jockeying to cultivate relations with Trump. Official US foreign policy is going to be dead in the water, and NATO and G7 will be leaderless, until next year.

  • Trump is going to have an iron grip on the Republican party now, to an even greater extent than before. On various issues where other Republicans held positions contrary to Trump's, they're going to be brushed aside.

  • For the above two reasons, Ukraine is pretty well fucked.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

All the other plausible Dems who could have stepped in to replace Biden

STOP with this stupid rhetoric. If Biden steps down, it will be game over for the Dems.

And no, Trump has no real chance to get back into the White House. Trump will lose. He already lost as a sitting president while trying to illegally stay in power. The fact that people keep forgetting this is beyond stupid.

This incident will just encourage more people to vote. Good.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I give 50/50 odds that Harris can do about as well as Biden, the more I think about it.

But there's very few Democrats who can reasonably replace Biden today. And most of those do not have access to Biden's fundraising (Harris does have access to that and gives her a huge leg up).

I still think that Biden staying on to serve as a political shield for Harris... and then resigning in January is the best path forward for Democrats. Harris still has to deal with womanizers and racists. All the adults recognize that she's the real President Candidate moving forward already, so its not like she needs to actually step into the political firezone.

I'm leaning to 50/50 now because Harris feasibly could benefit from some kind of VP pick herself to shore up support. Or she could go down in flames as the racists / anti-women vote turns out against her. Hard for me to say, but its a feasible path IMO, if people really want to replace Biden to replace him with Harris.

EDIT: However, the idea that Biden should resign for some no-name / non-existant Democrat who hasn't stepped up despite 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022, now 2024 elections is fucking nuts. Your mysterious secret savior doesn't exist, and they'd never step up 3 months before the election to ruin their chances at 2028 anyway.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I give 50/50 odds that Harris can do about as well as Biden

Those odds are terrible.

"Hey, take this gun. Point the gun in between your eyes, then pull the trigger. If the gun doesn't fire, I'll give you a million dollars. The gun has 50/50 odds that it will fail. Wanna play?"

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, which is why I prefer if Biden stays running. I honestly think he's our best shot at defeating Trump. Even today.

Do you think anyone else has a chance this late in the game? Has support begun to coalesce at any replacements yet? Its been a few weeks since the first debate. Who is stepping up?

Harris is stepping up. I can say that, and there's some favorable polls right now for her. And I think the Democrats can spin the story of "You're worried about age, so we listened and gave our best / most reasonable response to the worries of the public". I'm not sure if it'd work mind you, but its better than nothing and I judge it to be about the same as Biden finishing this campaign (then resigning after the election), which is the default choice.

Harris could surprise me with a very good VP pick. Harris can inherit the entirety of Biden's campaign as well. The unions likely aren't going to be as happy with Harris as Biden but it'd be too late for them to withdraw their support. Etc. etc.