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[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Stop intimidating folks who just a computer that does work for them with "learn" linux as if linux is a programming language. Many linux distros are super user friendly and work exactly like windows UI.

Beside, why do you think iPhones, as dumb and as bloated and as restricted and limited and overpriced they are, still are the most selling phones worldwide year after year? It's because my 80 yr old mom knows how to use it.

Most people and professionals in the world just want a machine to do their work and are not intrested in learning progamming or command lines to do it. Nurses, doctors and surgeons, non-computer engineers, artists, business managers, ..etc, are too busy and occupied to even change the defaut settings or uninstall anything that comes with windows not because they love it but becuse not intrested and don't care. Add to those groups most, actually all, girls I've ever met in my life. They have different hobbies and learning OSes is not of them. It's like a girl saying "Soon Sephora will discontinue their HilightBrushExfoilioter and everyone who wants to wash their face needs to learn Mac's DeepBeauty routines". while dudes are like we know soaps but wtf is an exfoilating routine. Literally, they don't know what linux is, and it's not going to sell to tell them to learn.

So tl;dr: I'm saying the thing that sells would be Pop OS or Mint, or anything that requires the least or none learning curve.

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Real talk.

I have been around long enough to know that this conversation has happened ever since Windows 7.

And each time and every time an OS EOL I spend time investigating a couple of Linux distros to try that switch.

This time is no different. From Redhat to Debian to Ubuntu to popOS to Mint. Each one is significantly better than the last.

But even 2024, I'm having to spend time inside the terminal to make the OS act more like Windows.

Tailscale has no native app. Gotta install it in the terminal. I want to use my touch screen in the browser to swipe the back button. Nope, I spent 2 hours on forums and ChatGPT and had to install something in the terminal. I was not successful. My Nvidia video card is not working properly. I gave up after.

Why am I spending hours trying to make my experience like Windows when Windows is right there. Sure sure, privacy and advertising yada yada. Install Adguard and disable services that you don't agree with.

[–] Derp@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe you've been sold a bit of a lie.

Linux is not like Windows. Linux will never be like Windows. It is first and foremost a general operating system, not necessarily a Desktop operating system.

IMO, that means you will never truly be able to completely avoid using the terminal here or there.

Telling people that it's easy to switch from Windows to Linux is just not true. Linux just works differently and going in with the expectation that things will work the same way only serves to disappoint those brave enough to attempt the switch.

If you try again, go in with the mindset that you've never used a computer before, and without needing to depend on Linux for your day to day computer work. See it as a tinkering side project, and maybe it will stoke your curiosity enough that you'll want to use it day to day.

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Because posts like these are fundamentally misleading, Linux isnt a Windows replacement nor is it meant to be (it also wouldn't make sense since Linux is older then Windows, at least the NT kernel). Honesty if you're trying to make Linux as similar to Windows as possible just use Windows.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

whole ass countries like pakistan and vietnam are fucked basically

[–] oce@jlai.lu 130 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I am quite disappointed. Given the title, I was like, wow, a generalist PC gaming website recommending people to switch to Linux! Read the article, Linux is not mentioned at all, I don't even know why it is in the title. Getting a few clicks from hippies?

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (7 children)
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[–] franklin@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For anyone who still needs Windows, I recommend you try the Windows 10 LTSC IoT variant.

It has support until 2032 and has all the bloatware ripped out. It's extremely good.

They even have a Windows 11 version. That's also really good. But I'm guessing if you've avoided upgrading to Windows 11, you'd prefer to stay on 10 anyway.

[–] forgotaboutlaye@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Is there an easy way to buy this as an individual?

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lmao

Windows doesn't sell enterprise shit to normal people

This is why you gotta totally avoid sites like this one https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

[–] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Microsoft is watching for you, don't worry

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They typically don't sell licenses to individuals and even if you were able to buy one for a reseller, it would be like $500.

There are other ways of activating it, but they are a gray area, and I'd only be willing to describe them to you through DM

[–] doctortran@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But will those methods even survive future updates?

The greater point is, the pattern is very clear with Microsoft and windows, and it will continue to get worse, and your options will continue to shrink. It would be better to just put any effort towards learning to use Linux and escaping the ecosystem rather than continually trying to find the ever-decreasing bits of freedom you can extract from Windows.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The activation mechanism I use on my personal PC has been active for six years without issue, so I can only assume so. And yeah, migrating to Linux works for some people, sure. But there's no harm in letting new people know there's options.

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[–] ChuckEffingNorris@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I keep seeing these " time to move to Linux" threads. For my work I have to use super proprietary software which I know for a fact is Windows only. Not only that it's GPU intensive CPU intensive and niche. I'm sure there's a way to run Windows within Linux but I can only imagine the pain in trying to get proprietary shite to work.

On top of that I need specific CAD software, Photoshop and Illustrator. I don't think any of these daily used programs support Linux.

From the outside, Linux just seems like an absolute ball ache to get working with all of the things I currently do without even thinking about it.

I'd love to do it. Not sure it's going to work. Am I wrong?

[–] sue_me_please@awful.systems 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Different OSes for different use cases. You have a job to do. Just use Windows.

If you want to use Linux, use it on your own machines on your own time.

That said, there are a few things you can do if you really want to use Linux:

  1. Test if the app works on Wine, Proton, etc. Even GPU accelerated apps can work, depending on the software/driver stack.
  2. Run a Windows VM and pass-through a GPU. That way you'll get native performance on the app that's GPU intensive. Use KVM and the CPU overhead will be negligible.
  3. If you're doing 3D modeling/rendering, SFX, video editing or ML/AI, there are a lot of options on Linux. Some options that exist in Windows also have Linux versions.
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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 30 points 2 days ago (6 children)

No, you are right. In your situation, Linux is just not an option - yet.

I think these posts are meant for the 95% of people that use a browser, and maaaaybe a mail client on their PC.

Photoshop/Illustrator will only ever get ported if enough people have already made the move that Adobe can't afford to ignore Linux any longer.

That being said, if those requirements are just for work, what's keeping you on Windows on your private devices?

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[–] Stomata@buddyverse.one 3 points 1 day ago

You mean keep spyware off your pc

Literally everyone that "threatens" to "switch to linux":

[–] doctortran@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Last month, for the first time, Windows 11 was a more popular OS than Windows 10 in the Steam Hardware Survey. Of course, this is an imprecise science as people have to opt in to having their machines measured but it's a sign of wider adoption. Windows 8, on the other hand, never made it big enough to do the same in its lifespan. Windows 7 was a very popular OS and adoption even to Windows 10 was fairly slow initially, partially down to that skepticism.

You can't cite the jump from 7 to 8 or 7 to 10 without also remarking on the fact users had far more.control over updates back then.

Yeah, Windows 11 adoption is up, because most people don't have a choice, or they didn't care enough to stop it happening automatically, and don't know how to roll it back. That doesn't translate to approval.

At a certain point, adoption rates just don't matter anymore because increasingly the user doesn't have a choice anymore.

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[–] proceduralnightshade@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 days ago (9 children)

There's Windows 10 LTSC, which gets security updates til 2027. And IoT Enterprise LTSC, which gets security updates until 2032.

"But should you even use those versions?!? They are not meant to be installed on a desktop PC/laptop" - idk, it's either this or Win11.

For more info on how to install, check https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

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[–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

Thanks for this unqualified headline.

[–] nick@midwest.social 29 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Pirate a copy of windows 11 N. It’s the eu version that doesn’t have any of this dogshit in it.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (13 children)

I only use the computer for word processing, internet, and playing roguelikes.

Fine. I guess I'll learn Linux 😒

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago

For those use cases, there's very little actual learning to be done.

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[–] john117@lemmy.jmsquared.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

can't wait for steam os to come to desktops, hopefully will happen before the end of windows 10 support

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From what I've seen, the closest thing is Bazzite. Steam OS, at least its current iteration, is really made for the Steam Deck, and I think Valve lost interest in keeping its own distribution.

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