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[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)

International sentiment generally negative about country actively committing genocide.

More at 11.

Jokes aside - yeah? Of course there's propaganda about China. I would wager its hard to find a big international power that doesn't have some level of propaganda being spread about it by the other big international powers. But between the propaganda you still find a bunch of real reasons to have negative views toward China's leadership and actions.

  • Uyghur genocide (ongoing)
  • authoritarian rule with huge censorship of outside media I really don't need to go on
[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The same "genocide" of Muslims that every other Muslim country has approved of? That genocide? The same genocide that includes affirmative action policies against the supposed targets of genocide?

The Arab League has fought wars over less (see: Israel/Palestine).

[–] RosemarySolomon@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Does...that make all those things okay then?

[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.ml user

[–] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I read this ‘article’. There are zero references towards the so called ‘China Bashing’. If it is so rampant, how hard can it be to just link to a few mainstream offenders? It alludes towards a deliberate bashing, once again without any links or merit. I am fully aware that news is hardly unbiased but come on, this is ridiculous.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have you been following media recently or have you been living under a rock?

[–] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have been following media intensively. I am not saying that news about China is unbiased in the western media. I am calling out the lack of any sources in this weak ‘article’

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
  1. As far as news outlets go, The Diplomat is rather well-regarded

  2. As an opinion piece, sources are usually implicit (since opinion pieces use the reader's own knowledge of current events as the context)

  3. The article points to this article for more context: https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

[–] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1 I don’t know this outlet, nor am inclined to use perceived pedigree to determine the quality of news. I’d like to see sources, not news dresses as opinions. 2 Opinion pieces that try to be credible need sources or else I will disregard them as petty trolling. The title makes a bold claim, I want sources backing up that claim. 3 that ‘source’ is also an opinion peace without any sources.

Just show me where mainstream media is deliberately bashing China. If it’s that rampant it can’t be that hard right?

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Again, have you been living under a rock for the past few years? You can even look at the top posts of this community.

[–] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 26 points 1 year ago

I’m not the one making bald claims. The onus is on the one with the claims. Just show me some sources!

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The evidence is right in front of you, yet you refuse to see it

[–] sparkl_motion@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then link the supposed data points backing up this claim.

You’ve refused to do so within this thread, only using “You don’t know!” as a reply.

Link the supposed data or GTFO. That’s what every person has stated and you’ve refused to comply.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone says they have data that disproves it

And nobody's provided any because they can't find it

[–] tombuben@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

No one here says they have data that disproves it though?

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[–] sludge@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

like, just off the top of my head there's that whole "spy balloon" thing.

[–] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

Give me a source that shows the blatant and deliberate anti China rhetoric about the ‘spy balloon’.

[–] GroteStreet@aussie.zone 41 points 1 year ago

This article is prime "SelfAwareWolves" material...

Countering this in international media by offering more balanced views for a global audience is near impossible as censorship is rife. There almost seems to be a global compact to control the narrative, a propaganda war powered by today’s digital technology.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago

By that, you mean criticism of China's known actions that are detrimental to their neighboring countries and the world?

If you want to call that "anti-China", then sure, but it's an appropriate reason to be, just as appropriate as being "anti-Russia".

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 37 points 1 year ago

China: you can't talk bad about us!!!!

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 35 points 1 year ago

Just gonna drop an article about Naomi Wu, famous maker, as a counterpoint to all those who keep claiming free speech exists in China.

https://www.hackingbutlegal.com/p/naomi-wu-and-the-silence-that-speaks-volumes

[–] Pat@kbin.run 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's almost like if they want people to not hate their country they should stop being a corrupt authoritarian hellhole

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Oh so like India and America, corrupt democratic hellholes?

[–] insurgenRat@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago

While it is true that insane propaganda is off the charts, for example in my own country Australia we're chaining ourselves to the fading star of the usa and the UK militarily despite having:

  • different trade interests
  • different geopolitical interests
  • different cultural interests

all while the usa government tries it's hardest to undermine our economic policy, erase our culture, and distort our politics towards their own demended lines.

There is zero evidence the chinese government does not want to do the same. They have interfered in our media, our education systems, there has been stupid petty trade squabbles with both "sides" using us for their own ends.

When chinese diplomats speak to our media, even in excruciatingly fair interviews, the pattern is the same slimey deny deny deny and legal quibble that usa diplomats engage in. Their media is insanely critical of Australian life too.

There are no good guys in this power struggle and looking for one is childish thinking.

Even this article refuses to address the notion that the chinese government has ever conducted itself in a condemnable manner.

[–] ArtZuron@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

McCarthyism's back yo! Or, rather, it never really left.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

McCarthyism has changed because now the "communists" look different and talk different and aren't white.

[–] ArtZuron@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Woke is the new Red I guess?

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thanks for the self-report. thediplomat filtered.

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