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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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Despite widespread consensus on the reality of climate change, misinformation about both the causes and solutions for climate change took hold during the 2024 presidential election. As this type of misinformation continues to impact public discourse, the need for greater media literacy becomes crucial, particularly to counteract the influence of political leaders and foreign-backed campaigns on voter behavior.

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[โ€“] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Nah, the truth is most people dont really care about climate change. My parents just say: "People say the world is ending all the time like they did in 2012" and "don't worry" basically equating climate change to mayan calandar conspiracy theories. ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ I have a feeling many people actuallt think this way.

We're so cooked, literally and figuratively.

[โ€“] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago

More and more it's clear to me that many people don't think at all. What do you get with a culture who lives paycheck to paycheck, undervalues education, and overvalues social media? You get a people who only care about right now, and have no vision for the future.

[โ€“] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's not that they don't care I think. It's more that the human brain is not very good at understanding and visualising massive things (be it numbers, space, complex systems, etc).

We're really good at gathering and communicating information though, which helps us make sense of the world.

The big problem is that we allow people's opinions to have as much weight as data and facts. So when you have data and facts about climate change presented at the same level as climate denialism, most people don't really see the difference when it comes to the weight of the data vs the opinion of some guy.

It's almost like some people benefit from withholding information, controlling the narrative, and having a public with low critical thinking.

[โ€“] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

My pastor growing up said we don't need to worry about pollution and climate change, because Jesus is going to return any day and after he wins, god is going to renew the earth. Magically I guess.

It's an excuse I always heard for not doing anything about it

[โ€“] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

People don't say the world is ending all the time. Religious conservatives do. That's what they don't see. I grew up in a religious conservatives community and pretty much every Democratic president was labeled the anti Christ, heralding the end of days. Saddam was also the devil who was gonna end the world, and Arafat, and Osama, and Benihana, etc

[โ€“] OpenStars@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

Part of what they are saying is that they distrust mainstream media sources. Which if I were to rephrase as the for-profit media that aims to maximize engagement regardless of the long-term effects upon the user, would that help it become more understandable? The media lies, some portions of it more than others, and even when it tells the truth it does so in a manner that is highly skewed towards maximizing their profits.

And then the whole "people say" gets even worse, because who vets those people? During the pandemic, literal doctors were prescribing Ivermectin and telling people to avoid the vaccine, and there was a huge conspiracy theory about Dr. Fauci.

Normal people can't understand the science on their own, are too busy with their lives to learn, and also they simply don't want to. But they're not entirely wrong - you really can't trust what "people say" (e.g. they also say to buy crypto) - and that germ of truth is what helped sell the lie.

i.e. the disinformation peddlers were quite strategic in predating upon our weaknesses, where "news" would do things like talk about Donald Trump nonstop, which gave him millions of dollars of free publicity, and helped him get elected (the first time I mean, but probably also the second).

So "we" are not blameless here either, if we turn a blind eye to the faults on one side and simply would rather blame "the other side" as if that were all that were needed to explain the entirety of the situation. That is a comforting lie, an "alternative fact" if you will. I may not have explained this well, but I hope you see what I was trying to say.

[โ€“] dillekant@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

I think there's definitely an element of "the people in charge know what to do", or that it's a transient problem, not one which locks us into effort for centuries.