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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

even if it did, so what?

oh, saving the planet is too expensive, so we're just going to let it die to save money

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We can all tighten our purse strings for a few years collectively (or the top 1% does it for like...a few months) or a select few of us can live in an underwater utopia built by our boiling slaves....................we're going to go with the slaves

[–] anzich@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess you could say that the Saudis made a line in the sand

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

It's not finished yet. Just like many other grand projects they've started.

[–] BillyTheSkidMark@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

I realise you're being facetious and I do agree with your sentiment... But I guess if this was true we could/should look at potential other, cheaper, alternatives (like invest in more wave abs geothermal power)

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If it cost 1000s of 10,000s a month to simply cook food, it would probably not be worth the cost to save the planet. That's how high they expensive they expected wind to be in their calculations.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Rightwing thinktank Civitas mistakenly cost onshore wind power 10,000 times higher than reality and claimed bill would be £4.5tn

[–] anzich@feddit.de 14 points 11 months ago

They did this shit with "calculating infrasound from windmills" in Germany 20 years ago. They (a government and lobbyist financed org) were several orders of magnitudes wrong but took a very long time admitting it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022460X23004091

As some German celebrity said: "It's hard to save the world in your spare time when others are paid to destroy it full time"

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Feel like its a common mistake to mix up kW and kWh, but if you don't know the basics of power you shouldn't be trying to write on the topic and any peer reviewer should know the cost of onshore wind is in the cents per kWh, not 100's of dollars per kWh if someone has even if only from paying attention to their own electric bill.

Also apparently mixed billions and trillions at one point? Just a small factor of a 3 (orders of magnitudes).

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah but that doesn't support their narrative

[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

what's a factor of ten thousand between friends?