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Major airline faces backlash after using ‘ghost flights’ to exploit a legal loophole: ‘They weren’t even selling tickets’::Ultimately, it’s incumbent on lawmakers to take steps to ensure this practice is discouraged.

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[–] 44razorsedge@lemmy.world 147 points 11 months ago

Hahaha, but skiplagging is bad!!!! Fucking hypocrisy of an industry.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In this case, Qatar Airways was making these extra journeys to avoid caps that allow it to make only 28 weekly trips to Australia’s major airports, which includes Melbourne. Landing at Adelaide Airport, which is not among that list, as the final destination enabled the airline to make additional journeys to Melbourne, as there were no limits on flights to non-major airports.

Cute.

[–] ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Love the double standard. When you do this as a passenger to get a cheaper fare the airliner will ban you for life.

[–] Kiernian@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

When you do this as a passenger to get a cheaper fare the airliner will ban you for life.

Wait, are you saying if you buy a ticket from Orlando to Las Vegas and the flight stops for a planned plane change in Atlanta, if you get off in Atlanta because that was your actual destination and DON'T continue on to Vegas you can get in trouble?

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Correct. "In trouble" depends on your definition though. They ban ot because they give discounts for common destinations but they don't like it if you take advantage of the discount to fly to some less popular destination as a layover that would typically cost more if booked directly.

[–] pazukaza@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How can they even find out? You just go down with the other people who paid the direct trip there. Do they keep track somehow?

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 10 points 11 months ago

They know who's aboard the plane and aboard any connecting flights. Not sure if they'd be able to tell if it was one where you stay on the same plane the whole time, but those aren't as common IME.

[–] Horst_Voller@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago

Not in legal trouble but the airline might decide not to sell tickets to you in the future.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Eylrid@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Well yeah, if the law allows it, don't be surprised people make use of it.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The airlines always complain about the cost of fuel, I'm surprised they can tolerate this. 18,000 ghost flights for Lufthansa? Just last month I sat in a 100 degree cabin for about 45 minutes before take- off because the APU needed to be turned on by a ground unit. The pilot said he called for the truck. It never came. Later I asked a pilot friend of mine and he said they can power that unit themselves but it uses fuel and the airline probably has a policy against it. Screw you Virgin Atlantic!

[–] AirlineF0od@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The apu itself is located in the tail and cannot be air started. If the apu is bad and engine can be started with an air truck.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] childOfMagenta@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'd think so. They may have been talking about a ground air conditioning cart.

Edit to add: APUs burn fuel, are noisy, and some airports are very picky about their use, rightly so. But typically these airports offer ground air conditioning. If not, you ask them to start the APU when it gets too hot in the plane.

I worked for an airline that was picky about it, but the bottom line was a riot on board was worse than burning fuel. Never been told no by the airport in reasonable conditions.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Damn. I was going to fly between those two last week, but gave up because the prices are stupid.