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Don’t underestimate the Rogansphere. His mammoth ecosystem is Fox News for young people (www.theguardian.com)

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Summary

The “Rogansphere,” a sprawling ecosystem of podcasts and online shows led by figures like Joe Rogan, has become a powerful cultural force for younger audiences, functioning as a “Fox News for the young.”

With its mix of anti-establishment rhetoric, distrust of Democrats, and casual conversations blending left-leaning and conservative ideas, it normalizes figures like Donald Trump for a disillusioned, lonely audience—particularly young men.

Democrats risk underestimating its influence, as this ecosystem fosters deep listener loyalty and has contributed to a significant shift in young male voters toward Trump.

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[–] CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've been a comedy fan my entire life, by and large nobody respected comedians outside of whether or not they make you laugh. I don't understand how or know when the culture changed so much. These podcasters are comedians. Why is everyone comparing them to News broadcasting companies or any other industry that is supposed to have merit and accountability? At most/best, these podcasts are a long form version of Regis and Kelly or Ellen. You people taking these CLOWNS seriously, is the reason stupid kids and dumb men my age think they should be taken seriously. Joe Rogan is talked about on the news like he's a fucking politician, why is anyone surprised his show effected politics after YEARS of the news talking about him and politics in the same breath?

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[–] Decomaeker@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Personally, i don't like joe rogan. He does a horrible job at making sure he isn't spreading misinformation and he is indeed contributing to influencing people in a bad way

That being said, i think acually challanging and approaching these mindset is valuable to show that the left is present in politics, not just the one we agree with all the time. If we dont open up discource on platforms that the right accually watches, more left wing discource, ideas and topics gets lost in the echo chamber of "we don't want to talk to anyone on the right". We cannot think people on the right and people alienated by the democrats will suddenly start consuming leftist idea if we wont bring that to their turf. I think a lot of people supporting the right are accually in agreement with the left such as economic reform etc , just that the right have much better platforms and charismatic people that accually adress their concerns.

Im not saying we should consider rasist, misogynistic and hatefull speech to be okay at all, and we are not part of the problem if we are present on platforms trying to challenge them. But we need to show that we are here for everyone, not just ourselves. The people we disagree with don't vanish because we dont want to talk with them, because they will find other people who want to talk, and they might be encouraging their already damaging viewpoints.

I came across this video a few days ago and i was intrigued, i reccomend watching, it gave me an idea on why we are stuggeling to reach more people:

https://youtu.be/_TQLDygbI-s

[–] Odd_so_Star_so_Odd@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I thought he was smart enough to not endorse a political candidate like proper independent media, but he's succumbed to the same polarization and thus a part of the same widespread problem. Good vid though, I find it's very much like one of the commenters point out a battle of lobbyism vs. populism rather than the standard left vs. right, people are desperate for change of any kind and Harris stating that nothing would change was just about the worst thing she could've possibly said during the campaign.

[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Harris stating that nothing would change

Are you referring to that one "The View" interview where she flubbed the question about what she would have done differently than Biden before returning to it later in the same interview to add in a bit about reaching across the aisle, or is she on record elsewhere saying that nothing would change during her presidency?

Because when I search for it all I see is tens of right-biased news outlets talking about that "The View" interview.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (21 children)

Yes because insulting the voter base is the way to win their votes. This is why we keep fucking losing. Instead of adjusting we call the voters lonely and stupid. Sounds like a sure fire way to win on the fence voters.

This article is essentially saying anyone that listens to these shows is the problem.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tbf, anyone listening to Joe Rogan is stupid.

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[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They killed their chance with Sanders who had a better approval rate than Hillary and could have won that election. Thats when i realized the democratic party is GARBAGE.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

For me it was when they skipped their primary election, then adopted the slogan “Democracy is on the ballot”.

Like damn that is insulting. I’ve voted Democrat in every election in my life until this one, but I will not put up with gaslighting from anyone no matter how long our history.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This article is essentially saying anyone that listens to these shows is the problem.

Fascists are usually the problem, yea

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

His influence is gigantic.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (26 children)

I find this frustrating. Yes, many of those podcasters are conservative and have participated in spreading misinformation, but there is a huge difference between a private cable news company that is designed to manipulate the electorate, and a bunch of loosely connected yahoos on YouTube who share similar opinions.

Trump gained ground with nearly every demographic out there. They weren’t all watching Kill Tony. Working class people, comedians who rely on unrestricted speech, and a whole lot of other demographics have legitimate grievances that the Democrats have either ignored or shamed them for. They either need to lean how to address these people’s needs, or they will continue to suffer the consequences.

And when you aren’t trying to form a political opinion about it, Kill Tony is actually a pretty funny show. That is why it is the number one comedy podcast, not because of Tony’s political opinions.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

loosely connected yahoos

This particular yahoo has a $100 million deal with Spotify.

He may not have the multi-billion dollar revenue of Fox News Media. But he does only have a fraction of their staff and operating expenses. That is certainly no pittance.

The rest of the yahoos are emulating him. Together they have a huge impact.

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[–] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree with everything you said, except Kill Tony being funny. I have not heard anything from him that made me laugh.

I am genuinely still waiting.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Kill Tony is the name of a show that has featured hundreds of comedians—that is what I was endorsing as funny, and that is what most viewers come to see. Tony Hinchcliffe is a person, and he serves primarily as a judge on the show, not a featured entertainer.

This exact misunderstanding—that enjoying the product is an endorsement of the political opinions of the creator—is a good example of what I’m talking about. If Democrats want that audience to watch a Democratic comedian’s show, then all they have to do is make a better comedy podcast than he did.

[–] TurnpikeRangers@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I saw him on tour earlier this year (or maybe last year, I can't keep up with time anymore). Had never heard of him but we had free tickets. There were 3 or 4 openers, all people part of the Kill Tony family or whatever. His openers were hilarious, he was....very not funny.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Like these young Trump voters. TikTok is where they get their news and Rogan is who they listen to: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/politics/video/ufc-trump-fans-digvid

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