With all the issues Tesla has (poor build quality, lying about range, blatant racism in factories, Union busting, Elon) I don't know why anybody would buy one. There are several better options at this price range.
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There are so many good EV options out there. Pretty much something for most folks. Tesla gets credit for pushing EVs into the limelight, but I'm not really sure why you would get one today with all the things you mentioned.
Also: hostile to independent repair, and terrible for privacy.
Yes, the Model Y is the best selling car in Norway ever, but your smooth brain knows much better than everyone who has been in the market and purchased one because it was the best option for them.
Don't underestimate the herd instinct in humans to have the same shit Håkon does.
I'm very much in the market at the moment but I've not seen the other options in the price range with what appeals to me the most: the quickness and fun to drive aspect. Are there actually others comparable to say an m3 performance?
Even my Volt can do a burnout, every EV is going to have a lot of torque. But in this price range, a Kia ev6 or a Ford Mach-e would be better choices. You also have the Nissan Leaf or the Chevy Bolt for fwd options.
It's not so much the burnout that I enjoy (I'd rather not keep buying tires 😅) as sustained actual acceleration. Which means ideally two powered axles for traction, and at least from what I've read it's hard to beat a model 3 performance for the price. Especially since it comes under the cap for a $7500 tax credit.
Maybe you should check out the polestar 2 if you're interested in a sporty sedan. I seriously considered one of those but couldn't find a good 2" receiver for it.
I've got a MYLR and the sustained acceleration is terrifying, its very seldom that I floor it.
The M3P must be bonkers since its lighter, lower and more powerful.
What's with the fact that the model 3 is the only one to commonly get shortened when it's also the one where the shorthand clashes with a car with way more history, the BMW M3?
I normally wouldn't but figured in context it made sense. But tbf they're similar 0-60 times at least. I'm sure the rest of the handling is significantly better in the BMW, as well as quality, but I'm at 100k miles on my C63 and ready for some lower maintenance fun at this point. Until I can afford a 3 car garage and lift, or something, which probably isn't for a while.
Like others have said, that is an BEV thing, not just a Model 3 thing. Here is a fun video to showcase this (note they are in Colorado, so the vette is slightly hampered).
Oh man, EV drag race protip right there. Just move to Pikes Peak and you'll win more.
If you are against naturally aspirated, yeah.
I like the Mach E. It is a ton of fun to drive. I suggest just test driving a bunch. The shortage of EVs is long since over, so you should be able to drive any of them. If you have it in the budget, try out a polestar too. I have heard good things, but it is one of the few I haven't been able to drive myself.
Subaru Solana or whatever it's called. I bought an ascent earlier this year, but it basically came down to splitting hairs when I went with it over the Solana. Absolute blast to test drive that thing, and I'd love to take it down to Moab or similar places.
Probably going to wind up leasing one next year, so I don't have to worry about battery decline down the road
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I hear that their cars are nice. I would buy one if they made a plug-in hybrid.
My Tesla has been in the shop since November (!!!!!!) because Tesla isn't making enough repair parts. I love my Tesla, but nobody should be going anywhere near them until they get their supply chain shit together.
That is really terrible. They have always had a bad reputation in the repair department, but that is ridiculous. Seems like they have been getting worse, not better. Hopefully you get your car back soon. Hope they at least provided a loaner?
Nope. No loaner on my 6 digit car. They might have been motivated to get it repaired if it actually effected them.
Ugh, what a shit show.
Not only does is it rear wheel drive only, but it also has about 10% less range than the AWD option. There's a reason it's significantly cheaper.
Presumably because it uses LFP battery cells? If that's the case, then the lower rated range is not as important since those cells tolerate many charge cycles to 100%.
One typically only charges to 80% with other Li battery chemistries so one effectively loses that top 20% of range.
Rolling e-waste
I don't think it's that bad. But it's a shame how unfriendly EVs are for the environment, the whole process is borderline worse than using fossil fuels when you consider emissions as well as potential fire hazards and poor disposability
the whole process is borderline worse than using fossil fuels when you consider emissions as well as potential fire hazards and poor disposability
That is not really true, especially when you consider lifetime emissions of ICE cars and the refining of oil.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths
It is true that there should be more done about using cobalt and to a lesser extent lithium, but even with those issues it is better in the long run. There are companies that are focusing on recycling those minerals and new battery chemistry is moving away from cobalt.
As far as fires go, yes battery fires can be very hard to contain. That being said, EVs catch fire far less often than ICE cars.
Ah, interesting. I did not know this! But I had thought that the concern with the EV car fires was mostly because the cars can set fire unexpectedly, they are hard to contain, and carry more hazardous fumes than a traditional vehicle, not that they catch fire more often.
There have been a couple recalls with LG batteries that had the potential, but AFAIK the number of times it happened is very low, and again more likely to happen with ICE cars. They tend to err on the side of extreme caution with EV batteries.
Lithium fires are for sure harder to contain, and I won't deny that not all Fire Departments are equipped. There is special equipment needed, but once you have that it becomes much less of an issue. As far as fumes, I don't know which is worse. There are a lot of nasty things in both EVs and ICE cars. I'll have to look into it.
I say this because Teslas are unreliable heaps of garbage with very poor quality control. Not because they’re EVs.
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An electric motor placed in the differentials is more environmentally friendly than producing more cars. The first rule of recycling is to REDUCE. You have to reduce first, then reuse, then recycle. Tesla jumped on electric vehicles to exploit the technology and not help the environment.
Yes they did, but not every car can be retrofit, and it is not a simple process. If you drive a car until the wheels fall off, trying to do that would probably be inefficient and prohibitively expensive. Plus that motor has to come from somewhere, so do the batteries that power it. You can't just throw a motor in and call it good.