How could Israel possibly need munitions after years and years of military subsidies? Especially just to fight Hamas (and do some retaliatory killing of civilians). This isn't a Ukraine situation where a major power is invading a weaker enemy who has had to choose between military spending and social spending, this is the more powerful country attacking a weaker insurgency while being continually fed funding for their military from a superpower.
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According to the clips I've seen, they're firing a lot of iron dome anitiair. Wouldn't doubt they'll need missle restock.
The billions of dollars they've received is more than enough to have stockpiled a large multiple of whatever rockets Hamas was able to somehow build up in secret. "We give you $3.8B per year" should also mean "manage your own munitions when fighting a small insurgency". If they got into another war with Iran, sure, that could warrant big brother stepping in and turning on the missile spigot, but they're not even at war with an actual nation.
I don't know if I should explain how foreign aid works, how many long range missles Hamas controls and how they got them, what a small insurgency is, how an anti-missle system works, or something else you seem to need clarity on. So, I think you should just keep ranting.
Oooh, we got an expert explainer in the house, everyone! Let's hear it expert, and cite your sources, we'd all love to learn from such a valuable resource.
I'm smart enough to know a drunk when I see one. Goodluck in life .
People can make fun of your lazy argument without being drunk. It's quite easy.
You want to act like you're a deep expert and everyone who disagrees with your positions is ignorant, here's your chance to prove it. If not for me, do it for everyone else, because right not many people seem to be upvoting your obvious brilliance. You do want them to understand and acknowledge your expertise, don't you? Or was this just a tired rhetorical device people have been using for decades to posture on the internet when they believe they're right but don't want to go through all the effort of proving it?
Last thing I've heard is China would be supporting Palestine/Hamas. If that were to translate into weapon supplies, it could turn into a hairy situation.
China hasn't even supported Russia with weapon supplies. This is fear mongering a what-if that contradicts Chinese foreign policy in the first place. China's foreign policy is one of fierce neutrality for anyone not encroaching on their own sovereignty, often to a fault.
China considers both Israel and Palestine to be strategically important allies in the region, so there's no way they're going to pick a side in this conflict unless that side is in support of one of China's more significant allies (Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.)
This is fear mongering
Possible. To my excuse, I heard it on TV (on a supposedly reputable channel, but still).
Another thing I've heard, is that apparently Russia would've been supplying Hamas with the NATO weapons they've been seizing in Ukraine from among the ones supplied as NATO aid.
That would be a Novum, wouldn't it? China supplying weapons in a large quantity to foreign organisation's.
What is a novum?
Ah. Apparently this is rarely used in English. Replace it with novelty.
To think republicans pretend like aiding Ukraine is the real problem.... yet They'll blow Netanyoohoo any time he wants. If anyone in Washington had a damn lick of sense they'd cut Israel off entirely.
That’ll calm things down
Might as well get used to it. Things are not going to calm down for some time.
I was having this discussion worth my wife last night.
I'm hoping (but will not be shocked when it proves otherwise) that full-throated endorsement now will mean more effective censure latter when the Netayahu gvmnt begins a more obvious program of genocide.
If the US is reserved now, it weakens later admonishment. I don't expect it to make a difference. Netanyahu's brother was killed by Palestinian PFLP–EO militants, and he's not exactly rational about them. He's also a friend of Trump's, and that's definitely going to play into Biden's responses.
Incidentally, I've heard some Israelis referring to the attack as "their 9/11." I think that sums up how the current situation is being framed by the Netanyahu government pretty well.
Netanyahu is being blamed for the attack by Israelis. I think his self life has run out. But, before that happens Isreal will enter Gaza and it will be punitive.
Interesting. I hadn't heard that. My wife manages an organization with a group in Israel; we've only heard the "9/11" comment, and some chatter about the reservists being called up.
Where are you hearing that Israelis are blaming Netanyahu?
I did see a snap poll that indicated that, but can't find it. But, there is this editorial in Haaretz:
“>The disaster that befell Israel on the holiday of Simchat Torah is the clear responsibility of one person: Benjamin Netanyahu.”
“>The prime minister, who has prided himself on his vast political experience and irreplaceable wisdom in security matters, completely failed to identify the dangers he was consciously leading Israel into when establishing a government of annexation and dispossession, when appointing Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to key positions, while embracing a foreign policy that openly ignored the existence and rights of Palestinians.”
Haaretz, as you probably know, is the paper of record in Israel.
Buffer zones are a very trendy topic these days, that's what I expect they'll go for before the dust settles.
If US citizens want to be evacuated, they can count on Joe,
You have pizza delivery, chop suei deliver ….-and weapons delivery. Let the business start!
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