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[–] TheSageRedneck@lemmy.one 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

European Union is doing the work the U.S. government should be.
U.S. government is too busy worrying about what people are doing in their bedrooms, libraries and doctor's offices.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 28 points 1 year ago

Beyond being good for right-to-repair, this used to be the one way to be sure that your phone is off and is not listening to you. It's a stride on the privacy side as well.

[–] MrTHXcertified@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I don't mind that my phone battery is sealed up. I do mind that I have to bring it to a specialist that might screw it up and make me pay for the privilege.

Actually, this bothers me way more with laptops than with phones. With laptops, there's no water resistance or any other reason besides thinness to seal the battery up. Particularly with business machines, the computing power will be more-than-sufficient for many years to come, yet many will end up in the trash because the battery's no longer doing its job. It's ridiculously wasteful.

[–] heluecht@pirati.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@MrTHXcertified I think that no device should be built in a way that it cannot be disassembled anymore. Concerning the argument "but what about water resistance?": remember that for a long time there are quartz watches that are water resistant to incredible depths - and their batteries can be replaced.

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[–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great news! No point in 5 or 6 years of software updates when the battery gives out after 3 years.

[–] veaviticus@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've replaced some "non replaceable" batteries in phones before... Only to find that after about 5 years of medium use the flash storage goes to shit (which causes massive slow downs), the chips begin to desolder themselves, the USB port gets janky and stops charging, etc.

Batteries are a great first step, but damn these $1000+ devices just are not built to last more than 3 years

[–] shanghaibebop@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

Honestly, they are pretty damn stressed devices though.

If you think about it, they are on 24/7, with active usage at least 4-6 hours a day, exposed to god knows what humidity, unknown low and high temps, dropped every x days. It’s a modern technological miracle that they last as long as they do. Lots of read and writes with photo and video backups.

My 5 year old X died a month back (flash memory failed), I was actually impressed that it lasted that long.

[–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes I'm thinking next time around to go for a good mid-range. Considering the time that phones actually last, it's too much to pay for flagship phones.

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[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even want to replace my battery. I want it to last. At least 5 years.

Bring legislation that enforces a 5 year warranty on batteries that are built-in. That would help the environment much more than being able to replace a battery every year that shouldn't fail in the first place. And yes, it's possible to build batteries that last longer. It's more effort, true. But so is building exchangeable batteries or doing an exchange. I rather shell off 50 € more for my phone when I know that the battery will make it 5 years.

[–] mpldr@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I want it to last. At least 5 years.

That is something that would be very hard to legislate. Especially since battery lifetime is dependent on a variety of external factors (charging-style, temperature of the device, luck). Build quality certainly also factors in, but even the best battery won't survive a 10 year old regularly overheating their phones with games and charges it for the entire night. I would love to see OEMs implement nice things like "capacity settings", where you can set your device to stop charging at 80% and show it as 100%.

[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is exactly what happens in cars. Usually, you have an 8 year warranty for your battery.

Yes, a phone is smaller. Less space and weight. But 5 years are less as well. The electronics can track everything, shut the phone down if it's too hot (and not when it's so hot that it's in danger to burst into flames like it is now). Adjust the charging speed by temperature. Do not charge the battery to 100 %. ...

All things the manufacturer can influence.

[–] Haatveit@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are all things that most phones already do, though. I think a realistic expectation of battery lifetime is needed here. Better allow for easier replacement in my opinion, the batteries themselves are not expensive (though we don't want to generate unnecessary waste, so, of course we try to make them last as long as feasible)

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[–] Sabakodgo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good, now add SD card please.

[–] Dusty@lemmy.dustybeer.com 19 points 1 year ago

And headphone jacks

[–] omenmis@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

tbh SD cards are out and mostly for power users, make them compatible with M2 drives :))

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[–] wildeaboutoskar@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The EU has been good at holding phone manufacturers to account on this kind of thing, glad it's gone through. I've had at least two phones die on me through the battery breaking, it shouldn't be cheaper to just buy a new phone than get the battery replaced. So much waste.

Hoping us UK folk will see the benefit of this as I imagine it's less effort to just bring the change about across the board than to be specific about geography.

[–] Syldon@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

It will come into effect in the UK also. Like it or lump it, the UK is forced to follow the EU market design. As for legislation being applied in favour of the public interest, I would not count on that until we remove the current government. At most they have 18 months left before an election has to be held.

[–] Steinsprut@szmer.info 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)
[–] rysiek@szmer.info 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same! But the beauty of it is that this effectively creates a competitive advantage for Fairphone. Fairphone is already compliant, while all other smartphone companies will have to develop this from ~scratch.

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[–] snowbell@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Still bummed they wont bring these to the USA

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[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It must be nice to have leaders that actually do useful things.

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[–] gpl@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any battery is replaceable if you pry it hard enough

[–] iamhazel@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

Every component is replaceable ~by buying a new iPhone~

-Apple

[–] Ishrin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

Anyone remember the LG V10? Mine came with an extra battery and a charging dock for the external batteries. Never plugged that phone up once in 2.5 years, just took 10 seconds to swap in a full battery.

[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't even care about it being super easily replaceable. It would just be nice if the phone wasn't basically filled with glue...

[–] rysiek@szmer.info 7 points 1 year ago
[–] trachemys@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 1 year ago

This is a much bigger demand than the usbc charging. I wonder if they can actually pull it off. I’d be happy with simply the right to be able to use a fully independent 3rd party to replace a battery.

I used to have a phone with a replaceable battery and it was awesome. I would charge the other battery while using the phone all day, carefree. When it was about to die, I'd swap out the battery. It was basically like I had an instant charge of 100% on my phone. Those were good days.

[–] pjb@lemmy.spacestation14.com 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Now require manufacturers to provide like 5 years of OS updates so devices aren't insecure bricks once you get updates.

OR disallow banking apps from blocking custom ROMs/root, so you can just install your own updates ROM without losing updates.

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[–] radau@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 1 year ago

All for this. The amount of times I've needed to do a full reset that would've been so much easier with a removable battery is wild. Waiting 10 hours for it to discharge is nuts

[–] tr00st@lemmy.tr00st.co.uk 7 points 1 year ago

The language in the article does seem to forget that plenty of early smartphones had replaceable batteries... Yeah, it might add some bulk, but it's not exactly going to be a major hardship.

... but it seems like a good reverse step to me. Any consumer replaceable part is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago

The motherboard is so freakin' tiny compared to the actual battery, there really is no reason for it not to be swappable.

[–] harmonicarichard@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

At long last. I really miss being able to swap phone batteries. Phone batteries are light, compared to external batteries.

[–] killbox@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Would this affect the waterproof ratings of phones? It would make the phone less sealed.

[–] withersailor@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago

Plenty of phones were waterproof with removable batteries before a marketing campaign.

[–] withersailor@aussie.zone 8 points 1 year ago

Plenty of phones were waterproof with removable batteries before a marketing campaign.

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[–] HelixTitan@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man I wish the US regulatory body would throw some wrenches like this at the tech companies here. They need a wake up call, start with breaking up Meta. Right to repair is also often gutted

[–] MrMeatballGuy@feddit.dk 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US leans very heavily into capitalism, so passing laws that make companies less money probably isn't what the government has as a priority unfortunately. Companies can make a lot more money selling you a new device than selling you a battery, even if the battery has crazy markups like most manufacturers that have replacement batteries available do.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

Hell yes! This has been a big sticking point for me since they started being removed around 2016. I hung on to my Note 4 until it was tired around 2019/2020, bought an LG V20 as it was the most recent 'flagship' still using a removable battery, then I finally crossed over to the darkside with the S21 Ultra.

Hopefully options will open up over the next few years as even if you don't want a removable battery, your preference shouldn't dictate the entire market. The smart phone market is way too homogeneous where every phone is essentially the same in a mildly different brick shape with a different logo.

[–] exu@feditown.com 5 points 1 year ago

Good. With this, my next phone might also last 6 years, as my last one did. I'm not so confident with my current phone, as it's exactly one of these glued shut types where replacing the battery is extremely difficult.

[–] DarkOoze@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm fine with internal batteries, but please use some form of standard cell size and connector.

[–] mateoinc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The EU already standarized chargers IIRC.

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[–] nickk@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I wonder how something like this could affect waterproofing.

[–] stn@kayb.ee 7 points 1 year ago

It typically does impact waterproofing, but the majority of use cases won't encounter an issue.

In saying that, though, the Fairphone 4 has pulled off an IP54 rating, so there's still hope!

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of devices with removable batteries that are water proof. A gasket and some screws should do the trick.

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[–] abcd@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

This is great news! Even better than the USB-C regulation. Changing a battery on a modern phone is a huge pita… And it’s definitely getting worse since some companies are trying everything to prevent you from doing so…

I would absolutely buy a phone twice as thick as my iPhone SE 2020 if it has an easily swappable battery. Bonus points if it is able to be used as an actual phone without a case to prevent it from dying instantly from a light breeze or some evil look by a person…

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