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[–] Salvador1010@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing is the drop in talent and quality is significant. People want to watch the best players and teams playing at an elite level

[–] TinyMaintenance@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh, high quality football is also “””boring””” and data driven. So many cool football moves are as good as outlawed. You don’t need to look further than classic nr. 10 being a dying breed, replaced by players best described as ‘pressing machines’.

Much bigger problem/reason is that lower leagues aren’t media talking points(let’s face it, sports are men’s reality TV shows), finding a broadcast is hard, etc. It’s just much harder to get into if you aren’t local.

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[–] Morganelefay@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I just want to see fun competition. Eredivisie is high enough a level for me.

I do recognize I'm in the minority, though.

[–] akskeleton_47@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Until they disappear because of shitty owners

[–] Completed_2020@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I’m just amazed how they always pick the perfect Boehly photo for any topic.

[–] TinyMaintenance@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh, high quality football is also “””boring””” and data driven. So many cool football moves are as good as outlawed. You don’t need to look further than classic nr. 10 being a dying breed, replaced by players best described as ‘pressing machines’.

Much bigger problem/reason is that lower leagues aren’t media talking points(let’s face it, sports are men’s reality TV shows), finding a broadcast is hard, etc. It’s just much harder to get into if you aren’t local.

[–] Adammmmski@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The Championship is a superb league. The quality might not be as good in terms of talent compared to the PL, but it is far more entertaining.

[–] Frankenstein_3@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, ignore my flair for a bit, but that's how loans usually work. 10% interest on 10k loan is 1k profit. 2% interest on 100k loan is 2k profit.

That is just doing simple calculation without factoring in duration of loans.

Also, RM and Barca(till recently) have been able to pay all those loans easily (except in some situations), and again they still pay whatever they make. There's no State/Billionaire pumping 10-20 mil in bogus sponsorship to bail them out(again, until recently).

What you're alternative is let RM make 100mil a year but they can only pay 30mil to their staff/players combined. What would they use 70mil for ? To pay dividends? Which they do btw. But I would rather see those pushed to employees (players/staff) than going into board's pocket.

And the result of this is that we can afford to offer thise wages, even taking loans, which btw, we took for renovation of Bernabeu.

I cannot think of one example where we took loan to pay wages as suggested.

[–] yeerepd@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Your loan example doesn’t really make sense. Why would the choice be between loaning 10k at 10% or 100k at 2%? You’d loan ten lots of 10k at 10% and make 10k profit rather than 2k.

And profits don’t go to the board, the board is just representatives for shareholders.

[–] esprets@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The government was helping Real 20 years ago with some shady deals.

[–] Tilman_Feraltitty@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] WolfBearDog@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like /u/espret's story! Like how the government helped Real with shady deals 20 years ago... ... Duh

[–] FatWalcott@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] yeerepd@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Your loan example doesn’t really make sense. Why would the choice be between loaning 10k at 10% or 100k at 2%? You’d loan ten lots of 10k at 10% and make 10k profit rather than 2k.

And profits don’t go to the board, the board is just representatives for shareholders.

[–] TheUltimateScotsman@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

paying ridiculous amounts with money loaned from banks.

That's how most of these transfers are paid though. It's particularly obvious with release clauses.

Clubs offer better value for transfer with a significant amount upfront. The buying club hasn't got that money but the interest they pay will be lower than the premium the selling club wants for more installments. Take out a loan and it's ok. Clubs are fairly low risk in terms of lending. Even a club massively in debt will almost always pay their loans eventually.

[–] Frankenstein_3@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is true. What my point was no loan has ever been taken to pay wages. As far as I am aware. I would be open to stand corrected with valid sources though.

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[–] Frankenstein_3@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ohh yeah, sorry. I am at work and saw wages pop up in some comments, and replied as per that. But I do agree, loans are taken to pay for transfer fees. It's standard for every major transfer irrespective of the club.

[–] LionoftheNorth@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Can't support a financial group mate

[–] AccountantOfFraud@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, the biggest criticism about Real and Barca hurting the sport/la liga were negotiating their own tv deals instead of doing it as a whole. We see the EPL now reaping those benefits when small teams in the EPL have bigger budgets than most La Liga teams

[–] brain-juice@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brits invent football and have been whining about it ever since.

[–] black_fire@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This is the definitive slogan of /r/soccer

[–] Frankenstein_3@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is true. What my point was no loan has ever been taken to pay wages. As far as I am aware. I would be open to stand corrected with valid sources though.

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