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Does all that and still used WhatsApp lol
this post was submitted on 03 Jan 2025
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I still haven't found a way to make my parents use Signal, so either I stop communicating with them (which is tempting sometimes) or have this compromise
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I hate phones so much.
I love phones, just hate the companies running it.
Same with most tech, the tech isn't evil, its just how its being used, and who's steering its future.
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The current state of phones is WILD. Two bad options yet most everyone (including me) still use them. I actually like to use it as evidence that most people would be fine if plopped in front of Ubuntu or Debian+Gnome/KDE
That's why my current phone is a Pixel running GrapheneOS. I still hate Android, but at least I don't have to run Play services on my main profile. I do run it on a separate profile though for a couple services that need it.
I really just want Linux with decent support for phone features (MMS/calls/data on any carrier, with full wake from sleep reliability), decent battery life, and decent audio quality. Unfortunately, PinePhone doesn't seem to handle those things properly (maybe it does MMS now?), so I stick w/ my GrapheneOS phone, which at least cuts out most of the crap from Android.
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It's honestly such a pain in the ass to say no to everything Google shoves down your throat these days. And even after you say no it will remind you every so many days just in case you changed your mind after the 15th time you said no. Android used to be the "cool" phone but nowadays if you don't install your own custom ROM it's basically just Apple with extra steps
The number of services that have adopted dark patterns is too much.
It's no longer "No" with a checkmark that says "Don't ask me again" to only "Not now" with the implied consent that they can ask you again later.
Dropbox asks me every fucking time I use the browser.
NewRelic asks me every fucking day.
Amazon asks me every fucking order.
I wouldn't say that's a recent development. Back before I knew anything about privacy and security, I switched from android to apple because I was tired of all the bloat. My 8 gb phone had virtually no space for photos or apps I wanted after 5 years of updates for non deletable apps. That was almost 10 years ago.
Apple is way better to use than a bloated android lol, once you debloat/install custom ROM sure then you get some peace
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Why not just get a google-less ROM at that point?
Lack of availability
Some modern Samsung phones can't have their bootloaders unlocked.
Edit: I guess maybe they can, although the instructions for this seem kind of sketchy.
Did you read the greentext? Literally says they're unlocking the bootloader to root the phone.
Oh, whoops, not all the way, no. Yeah, in that case, that's dumb as hell.
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~~Likely because of apps that depend on GMS~~ They removed the services too. Yeah that seems pointless.
Also, microG for that scenario.
Fake: Anon can do any of this
Gay: Bought a samsung phone
P.S the kids have been raving about this phone just reduces all those steps to "buy phone".
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The wonders of a device that doesnt support graphene os. Must suck
As a graphene user
You still have to fork out a grand or more to google more or less directly
There's zero need to buy the newest and fanciest phone unless you just want to brag about it; my Pixel 6 Pro cost me $200 refurbished and does everything you could ask for.
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If I'm not mistaken, Anon's Phone will still communicate with Google services for location services and push notifications after this.
No, not after he removed everything with Google in the name, including Google Play services.
What anon doesn't realize it's that you don't need to root your phone for all this, you can just use adb or the universal android debloater.
— sent from a Samsung that's degoogled in the same exact way.
I see. In that case his push notifications will not work for apps that rely on Google play services for them. A few other things off the top of my head:
A-GPS SUPL must be changed Captive portal must be changed DNS, NTP servers must be changed Depending on how much you trust Chromium system webview should be avoided
It is not trivial to remove Google from Android, even AOSP
Apps that don't rely on google push notifications usually come with a workaround that shows a permanent fake notification; which then allows normal push functionality. If that doesnt bother you it works perfectly fine without play services.
What makes me keep it myself is the necessity for certain play store exclusive apps such as banking and the one for my local public transit. Can't do without those
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I'd love to degoogle and debullshit my phone but then I need the back app... I'd like to tap with my phone to pay, and that won't be allowed because we can have nice things.
I'd like to use a host of other apps I won't be able to use anymore...
Any solution that allows me to just use a nice phone with all the features?
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very based.
For me it just :
- root it with magisk
- install adguard + adaway + blocker + LuckyPatcher + LSPOSED
- add custom filter to adguard & adaway like HAGEZI, 1Host, Cubic, StevenBlack
- Tweak adguard so it always run on startup, using DNS Bootstrap/Falback, enable AntiDPI, etc...
- Install LSPOSED Modules like HideMyAppList, Disable Target API Block, Let Me Downgrade, BOOTLOADERSPOOFER, etc...
- Set Blocker mode to package manager
- Disable any SDK/Tracker inside any apps with Blocker
- Install magisk module like PIFork, ZygiskNext, Shamiko, etc
- Reboot my phone
- Tweak any LSPOSED Module so i can use any mobile banking apps or apps that stop working if phone rooted
- Reboot again
- Check play integrity fix & disable play protect
- ??????
- PROFIT....
”just” 😅
For me i'ts just
- root
- unlock bootloader
- flash custom rom
- install F-Droid
Btw, you should remove Play Services too, they are the main ads/tracking point most of the libraries in the apps communicate with.
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I like that in this scenario they still have to install Whatsapp to be able to phone on the phone.
Frankly, my stance to this is to just do what's convenient and deal with the rest. For big, meaningful change you need regulation, not user behavior.
What do you mean? They can phone without, they install it to "communicate with boomeer relatives", as it's written.
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