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So all we need to do is find a way to put people in prison!

Win-win!

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

I don't think we have chain gang type prison programs in Canada. It's so archaic. Making license plates to have an occupation might be reasonable, but this chain gang shit is inhumane.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (9 children)

Isn't there an amendment about this? We had that whole interval railway war over capitalism under the guise of fighting for that amendment?

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 35 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They're slaves, not incarcerated firefighters.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 23 points 12 hours ago

They mention how much money they're making but not that everything they have to spend it on comes from the institution imprisoning them and unconscionably price-gouged even by outside standards.

[–] ThatKomputerKat@lemmy.world 64 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I think one of the absolute stupidest things about this when it comes up is that when these same people get let out of prison they can’t even get the job of fire fighter because of their criminal record.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 31 points 14 hours ago

While no legal system is perfect, I much prefer the way some countries prevent the public from hearing the actual names of criminals or someone’s criminal history. Not everyone needs to be branded for life with a scarlet letter. It would reduce recidivism as well.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Slavery is alive and well in the United States Of America.

(As a side note it's funny how, with a century of delay, the US pretty much followed the UK in making slavery "illegal" by just making chattel slavery illegal and, not long after, replacing it with indentured servitude. The non "funny" side is that Britain has already dropped indentured servitude but the US is busy actually expanding their variant of it with things like 3-strikes legislation)

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

The 13th Amendment to the US constitution makes slavery illegal except for prisoners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The 13th Amendment to the US constitution makes slavery illegal except for prisoners.

Exactly my point.

The type of prisioners made to work like this in the US tend to be people who are in prison for crimes directly or indirectly related to poverty, not things like murder, making it it a lot like indentured servitude worked in Britain were people who couldn't pay their debts were used as slaves.

Any billionaire is free to step in and properly compensate these heroes, but they won’t

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

If someone lands on your property, you don't get paid if you are in prison. Though if the board is loaded up with hotels on orange and the other players aren't near your properties, you can stay in for a bit rolling doubles to avoid going broke.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I already thought this was bad when they were ~~asked~~ made to work fast food jobs. ~~Asking~~ Making them to risk bodily harm is an entirely different idea. I think I want my first responders to feel fairly compensated when I call for help.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't this the thing as well where once they are released they cannot legally work as firefighters

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 13 points 10 hours ago

No, I've spoken with CalFire guys about it. Apparently a bunch of departments actually will take note of prison crews they like working with and will hire out of that pool when their prison term is up. I think people who are ineligible to be firefighters due to their record are generally not permitted to be out on prison crews.

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 5 points 11 hours ago

Also, many of them are ineligible to become actual firefighters after their release from prison due to their criminal record. I would be slightly more okay with this system if it translated into a guaranteed position as a firefighter following release if they agree to go to an area in need like in smaller communities that have trouble recruiting firefighters.

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