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[–] Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 95 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Lord Almighty, I am not lazy.

While yes, it looks like I'm sitting there on my phone, my functional part is screaming at me. Get up. Go do the thing. Do your work. You wanna get fired? Get up. Get the fuck up.... As I click on another meme or post or video.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 39 points 2 weeks ago

To add to this.

Just because i failed to act on the stuff that needs doing doesn’t mean i had it easy or that am not exhausted.

Usually the reflective awareness of my stuck state drains me way more then if i would you just be able to get up and do it.

[–] spizzat2@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I understand that this may come across as flippant and possibly condescending, so apologies in advance, but I mean it as a genuine question.

What would it take to break the... inertia?

I imagine you'd move if your chair caught fire, so there must be some line. How low can the bar be set?

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Neuroscience answer: Dopamine is responsible for (among other things) motivation and the feeling of reward when you do something. People with ADHD have chronically low dopamine levels because they have more dopamine transporters than most people do in their brains, so their brains burn through it quickly.

In practice, people who are unmedicated tend to do whatever they can to try and get a little more dopamine to get them through the day. It’s why smoking, risk taking, illicit drug use, gambling addiction, etc are also correlated with ADHD: all those things give you a dopamine boost.

So when someone is sitting there scrolling through memes on the phone, they’re hunting for the dopamine. The dopamine is almost never at The Task. It’s incredibly frustrating to understand all that and still not really be able to do anything about it until it escalates into an emergency, at which point you don’t really need dopamine to deal with it anymore, now that you have adrenaline. But that’s obviously an unsustainable way to do things on a regular basis.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 weeks ago

it escalates into an emergency, at which point you don’t really need dopamine to deal with it anymore, now that you have adrenaline.

Oh, that's why that happens

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

Depends. Are we also depressed? Is there actual anxiety tied in with that flippant apparent physical lethargy? How hot is this fire?

If you want us to do something with some consistency make us feel obligated or change it enough to keep it interesting.

[–] a_robot@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Meth. Anything less will only result in eventual and catastrophic failure. Source: I have ADHD and have tried everything else, several times over.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It should really be called Intention Deficit Disorder.

My phone has my undivided attention, there is no deficit here.

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[–] AThing4String@sh.itjust.works 64 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I had a nervous breakdown in university, where I had gotten a huge, highly selective merit scholarship under strict performance conditions. I had thrived - relatively speaking - in a traditional classroom, because it was so structured. I murdered tests because it was quiet, structured, and distraction free. Homework was hit or more frequently miss, I struggled socially, and although clearly not malicious my teachers gently noted that my classroom behavior could be a challenge "to the other students' learning", but I was brilliant enough at tests and classwork and highly motivated by my toxic dysfunctional house to get out that I had successfully gotten my golden ticket.

University, where you had to set and enforce your own structure? I couldn't cope. I got a lot of flack on "you never learned to study", "you just don't know how to do really hard things, now that it isn't easy for you". I missed deadlines for administrative work, I forgot assignments, I struggled to remember the instructions to follow them.

I remember a day just before I hit that wall - I was in the study cubicles in the library, trying to work on some critical midterms for a challenging course. I only had the cubicle rental for a set amount of time and needed to meet my long-suffering roommate for a ride home at a given time - they were also very busy and I was not helping their life by being late to everything constantly. I checked the time to see how much longer I had and went back to writing, but realized I hadn't actually internalized the time so I checked again. Within 10 seconds I couldn't remember how long I had again, so I checked again - tried really hard to remember! Said it out loud, was shushed by my cube neighbor. Looked up at them - forgot time. Checked again, pen to paper to write it down - I had forgotten already.

Frustrated as hell, I got up to get a drink at the water fountain, hoping the walk and the water would "clear my head". At this point I had forgotten I even needed to check the time. I sat back down at my cubicle, picked up my pen to start writing for this midterm, began brainstorming -- I was at the water fountain again, although I didn't remember choosing to go or any of the not-short walk there. Puzzled but not surprised, I thought "I must have been thirstier than I knew", and made sure to get a BIG drink this time. Walked back to the cubicle. Pick up pen. "Focus". Deep breath. Consider the themes of --

I am back at the water fountain. Hand to heaven I did not choose to be here. I do not NEED to be here. I am not thirsty. I return back to my cube without getting a drink because "I am not rewarding myself for wasting time".

I walk back to the wrong cubicle because I have forgotten the cubicle number I rented.

I end up back at the water fountain trying to remember my cubicle by retracing my steps - it's not like I haven't walked that path half a dozen times today already, how did I just now forget??

I get another drink. I finally make it back to my cubicle. I start working on the midterm again, but in the-reading the prompt sheet realize I have not been working on the prompt I actually signed up for this whole time - not that I have written even a paragraph yet. Frustrated to tears after years of this constantly and feeling like a failure, my phone buzzes angrily - somehow during all of this NOTHING, 4 hours came and went, and I am now late to meet my roommate, who is threatening to leave without me.

When I finally finish the paper, it is submitted by my professor for a "best paper of the semester" award and places second.

2 months later, seeing the campus psychiatrist after my mental breakdown due to "overwhelming anxiety", he listens to me for 45 minutes. He promises we will talk about the anxiety, which is very real and distressing, but also maybe I should consider this other thing. He takes a paper from his filing cabinet, folds over the top so I can't see what the title is, and presents me with a questionnaire asking me to rate myself from one to five on every moral failing that has ever disappointed and frustrated me and everyone who claims to love me. I am sobbing within 5 questions -- there is a name for this?? This is treatable?? I'm not just a lazy failure?? No, I have no idea what the title of this questionnaire would be.

"Adult ADHD Assessment".

Most people, it turns out, DON'T have a childhood nickname of "space cadet" or "nutty professor", can finish a sentence in a linear fashion, can sit relatively still, don't interrupt their psychiatrist 5 times in 20 minutes, and can remember what they have and have not discussed in a 45 minute time window. It also turns out that being a high achiever in a strict scholarship program as a member of the honors college in a challenging major at a prestigious university with "the WORST case of ADHD I have ever seen" is not super easy, although I can't imagine why.

Within days I am on my first day of Adderall, although I am told not to expect much at this dose. I almost forget to take it, but my roommate forcefully reminds me as we drive, and I never remembered to take the prescription out of my bag so I still have it. I walk the 15 minutes from the lot to the library.

As I pass the student union building next to the library, I realize something absolutely insane - I know where I am right now, and I remember getting here. Not that I remember every leaf or face I passed, but it isn't like the water fountain where I only know that I went somewhere because I am now there. Despite having the same routine every day of walking to the library to rent my cubicle first thing, I often "overshoot" and accidentally walk past it and head to the buildings for my major without getting my rental and storing my bag, usually only remembering where I am and what I'm doing once I go to open the door of my first class and see that it isn't my class in there yet - I'm supposed to be studying in the library for a few hours more.

But not on Adderall - on 10 whole mg of Adderall I successfully went right where I was supposed to be on purpose at the right time and I remembered doing it, and it was so unfamiliar an experience that I cried on a bench in the quad about it.

[–] Krejall@ttrpg.network 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mine isn't this bad, but I can relate to the first-day-on-Adderall thing. It was wild when I walked into my messy bathroom an hour after that first dose and my brain just went: "It is possible, even reasonable for you to clean this bathroom, in a finite amount of time, without every moment filling you with dread. This task will not consume your whole ~~life~~ day." My brain had simply never done that before. I could just choose to do something and--perhaps more importantly--to stop doing something. I remember I was ~~hyperfixating~~ working on a hobby project at 11 PM on a work night and my brain went: "If you stop working now, brush your teeth and go to bed, this fun project will still be here for you to work on tomorrow. You don't have to keep at it until 6 AM and then go to work without sleeping." That seemed like such a foreign concept at the time. It was weird to hear that from my own brain, not in a "you're being bad" way, but in a "it's going to be okay" way. There was a lot of happy crying those first few weeks.

Just wish I'd been diagnosed in college instead of in my mid-30s. I might have graduated.

People like to throw around the word 'lazy' but it's more like I can't turn it on OR off unless I'm medicated. Once I'm in the zone I will work until I grow a beard, then wither away, then my crumbling skeleton grows a beard. It would be a powerful thing if I could aim it.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It isn't fun.

Yeah, all the stereotypes of the wacky ADHD guy squirrel lol, but it's not like that on the inside.

We are lost in the goddamn fog, chasing phantoms and mirages that disappear when you look at them too long. We are constantly running to catch up and flailing for context. What looks capricious and funny is mostly just desperation. We aren't bursting with unlimited energy, it's as exhausting as it looks. Taking five attempts to actually get a task done because you just forget halfway through. Forgetting where you put the thing, every time. Feeling your working memory slip away like waking from a dream. Fucking up all the time, then having to work twice as hard to fix it, and feeling like shit because you can't get anything right.

It gets old, man.

[–] Noved@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's comments like this that make me think I don't have ADHD and I'm just a bit slow.

My therapist says I'm likely ADHD and I align with a lot in this thread, but this description is about 1000% more dramatic than my day to day life. I guess it's all a spectrum, but I've never felt like I'm living in a fog, I'm very very aware of all of the things I'm fucking up, but my mind doesn't tell my body it's worth fixing yet.

I never "forget" to finish a task, I remember that task needs to get done every 5 mins after I leave it not finished and it pains me to look at it every time I walk by it. But there are more important things to do. Like scrolling Lemmy or IG.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 weeks ago

Your third paragraph is describing executive dysfunction, a symptom of ADHD.

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

So look, I am not trying to talk down to you or make you feel inferior. The reason I use words with WAY too many syllables tucked into precisely worded sentence structures is because my fucking brain decided it didn't want to remember the normal damn way of saying it.

Also, our brains glitch. As in it literally feels like some wires crossed. Due to this some situations/days/hours can be torture. Please be kind.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

It isn't just "struggling to focus." The same way that depression isn't just "being sad" and anxiety disorder isn't just "getting nervous."

When my ADHD is at its worst, I literally become almost illiterate. As in, I read a single sentence, and by the time I finish the last few words, I have completely forgotten the rest of the sentence.

I have to read that sentence 4-6 times over and over before I actually comprehend what the meaning is. The words are being sounded out in my head, but my brain doesn't store them in short term memory, and certainly not into long term memory.

My brain is too busy processing random other things to dedicate enough attention to the thing I am trying to read. And I'm not taking about Shakespeare or Tolstoy, I'm talking about trying to read a basic email from my manager.

Imagine the feeling you had when you were in school struggling with your toughest subject. Maybe it was math, maybe chemistry, whatever. Remember what it was like when you were focusing as hard as you could to solve a problem on an exam or a homework assignment. Remember that feeling of mental exhaustion? Where it felt like your head actually hurt, you were physically tired from how hard you were focusing? Maybe for the next hour, perhaps even the rest of the day, you couldn't think hard about anything else?

Well that's how I feel doing the majority of trivial tasks I have to do all the time. Getting dressed, brushing my teeth, making breakfast, getting my work bag together, remembering to cash a check or pick up a few groceries. Working out, texting back a friend, responding to emails, scheduling a doctor's appointment, etc.

I start the day mentally exhausted and foggy, and I end the day even more so. And most of the things that nuro-typical folks do without hardly a thought, I have to expend final calculus 3 exam effort to do.

The most frustrating part? Sometimes, seemingly at random, my brain will just kick into gear and I will be able to focus on something for hours without any effort at all. I can't seem to cause it to happen, I don't know where it comes from. But on those rare days, I am a god. It actually makes me depressed, because I always think, "if I could be like this just 25% of the time, I would be unstoppable."

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The most frustrating part? Sometimes, seemingly at random, my brain will just kick into gear and I will be able to focus on something for hours without any effort at all. I can't seem to cause it to happen, I don't know where it comes from.

I reorganized my grandfather's entire tool shed in 5 hours but the chlotes in my room are still on the ground.. this sucks

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[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Please don't "trap" me and force my attention on to you.

I literally cannot subvert my attention from what I am focused on. Please just say my name and wait a moment for me to context switch myself.

Forcing the attention takes away from what I want to focus on and what you want me to focus on (usually you).

[–] HaunchesTV@feddit.uk 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd second this as something people don't get about ADHD.

So I work in IT support. If I'm absorbed in something complicated and you ask me to stop immediately to help you with your "more urgent" issue, please don't take it personally if I seem annoyed while my brain short circuits trying to deal with the sudden gear change.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Is this an ADHD thing or a normal human behavior?

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

In general, if someone ND is complaining about X, equating it to NT X doesn't work. They have the same name, yes. That's because we don't have words for X^2^ or X^3^ etc. Imagine if house cats, ocelots, pumas, and tigers were all called "cats."

"A stray cat wandered in and it looks hungry."

"So, what's the big deal? We have three cats at home. Just give them some kibble."

"I think it plans on eating me."

"Stop exaggerating."

This also works as a reply to OP's question.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s worse for ADHD. It’s an outsize irritation. Also, once the focus is broken it can be really hard to pick back up the original task.

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[–] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 19 points 2 weeks ago

Many adhd symptoms are "normal human" behavior/traits, but in people with adhd they are more exaggerated than in neurotypical peeps. So while something like this might be slightly annoying for a typical person, for someone with adhd it is likely worse.

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[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 41 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

ADHD can feel like you're putting in 350% of effort 100% of the time but only achieving 50% of what others achieve, and then being treated like you only put in 10%.

My whole childhood & life before diagnosis, my intelligence and literally everything am good at was used as proof up career & academic & household stuff out of spite.

The paradox of #ADHD - being excellent at complex, high-stimulus tasks and fuck- all at routine, "easy" tasks was a weapon in the hands of parents, teachers, & employers and a constant abusive echo in my brain.

What internalized was that accomplishments that were fun or that came easy to me had no value, only the ones that involve effort "count." But the things that involved the most effort for me were mundane tasks that came easy to others, so they had no value, either.

ADHD involves SO many micromoments of shame. Stepping Over the pile of laundry. Re- remembering the bill you still haven't paid. The sink full of dishes and the fridge leftovers lurking in the back. The small but recurring should have" is cumulative and it's painful.

The last one's text wasn't "Select"able on my phone

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Random lesser known facts in no particular order:

  • You really have to say my name out loud before you start talking out of the blue otherwhise I won't hear the whole sentence.
  • Don't break my hyperfocus unless dinner's ready or the house is burning down. Everything else can wait.
  • Dating is either the greatest thing in life or your worst nightmare. More often the second one. No way to know beforehand.
  • You learn to condition yourself like a dog trainer, with treats and diversion.
  • I wasn't finished talking, I was pausing.
  • No I won't sing the whole song, just a part of the chorus or the intrumental riff. Yes, over and over for hours maybe. I know, I'm sorry.

Edit: Also, for the parents of children with ADHD get an adult with ADHD and make them interact with your child. You'll learn more from 10 minutes of that than years of literally anything else.

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

I also don't like that I'm not doing the things I should be doing. Yes, I absolutely do see that those things need to be done, no I don't think someone else is going to do them. Yes, I wish I would just get up and get it done too.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"Just do [X]" does not compute, whether X is "yoga", "sports", "[specific diet]", "the laundry", or simply "it". It is never simply "just". The inability to "just" start doing a thing (especially without any immediate reward) is one of the central symptoms of ADHD and if you say "just do [X]", you're essentially saying "just don't have ADHD".

ADHD also doesn't mean you are/were bad in school. Not by a long shot.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I will spend ten times as long beating myself up about not doing the thing than it would take to just do the thing, which should make it crystal fucking clear that if I could just do the thing, I would fucking just do the thing.

And then, if I DO do the thing, I will spend twenty times as long as it took to do the thing afterwards replaying in my head exactly how I did the thing and beat myself up over every little imperfection.

Sometimes I have to really hold myself back from editing messages that are perfectly fine because I feel like I'm being too random and thus need to explain myself and add context

And this is while medicated, too.

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[–] Fluke@discuss.online 26 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

My 10 year old has ADHD, and threads like this have helped my understanding. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

What does my daughter need from me, her Dad? She has an understanding pediatrician and a good therapist. My wife and I have given her freedom to choose how she organizes her day within reason. She has never done poorly in school and has impressive interest in art and science. We've been fortunate to have flexible school teachers most years. The kid has developed coping skills of her own, but I can still tell that brushing her teeth or getting in the shower or getting started on her homework are monumental struggles every. single. time. I don't doubt that she will be fine in the long term, but I would love any advice on how to help day to day life to be a little less exhausting for her while still helping her learn how to function independently.

What are things people have said or done for you that helped you feel seen and loved?

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I've never had any support from others into managing my adhd so I can't say what helps for sure, but I can shed some light into it so you can try to find a way to help.

. 1. It's very hard for us to associate work and reward unless the reward is immediate. If you tell your kid "if you clean your room we can do X this weekend", they'll want to clean their room, but their "body" will still see it as a pointless chore.

. 2. "out of sight, out of mind". Imagine that people's brains are like an internet browser, with different stuff being in different tabs. For a NT person, there are a few tabs open with the stuff that they are doing that day and anything that is not relevant at the moment is saved on bookmarks to be retrieved at another time. The active tab is the thoughts that are currently going on in the head. For someone with ADHD, this browser would not have bookmarks and in turn it keeps the tabs open forever. As an effect of that, we can no longer manually switch between tabs. Once we switch to a different tab, the old one is lost and the only way to access it again is "clicking on a link to the same page". But we are so used to switching tabs all the time that everything loads instantly already.

Let me try to give practical examples of what I mean with this:

Say you live on the second floor of a building and you need to take the stairs to get home. Going up you notice the first step of the stairs is broken and need repairs. You make a note of it and continues going up. Thats a thought for the "stairs" tab that is currently active. You go into your house and notice your pet's food bowl. The browser now switches to the "feed pet" tab, which makes you realize you haven't done it that day yet. Anything about the stairs is now completely wiped from your head, as if you had never even thought about it. You go feed your pet and on the way you notice a pile of dirty clothes to wash. Your brain now switches to laundry tab and you forget anything about the pet. You start the laundry and go back to your living room, see the pet's food bowl again and goes "oh yeah I need to feed it" - this puts the pet tab back into your head. This time you carry the bowl with you so it keeps that tab active and you can complete the task. At night you're watching some show, commercial break hits and an ad shows someone going up some stairs so you go "fuck, the stairs" but it's night now and you can't do anything about it. Your wife comes in and asks what are you watching. You have no idea because you're on the "stairs" tab now. Commercial break ends, you see one character and that puts you back on the show tab, so you instantly remember the name and the whole plot.

If you expect someone with ADHD to do something, there's only a few ways they'll actually do it:

  • there's immediate consequences for doing/not doing it.
  • there's something constantly reminding them they need to do it.
  • they dedicate their whole day into not forgetting to do it.

That third one is what we've come to call "waiting mode". It's what we do when we have an appointment at a specific time of the day for example. We hold on to that "tab" so hard to ensure we don't lose it, that we basically become unable to do anything else until that is done. When we're in waiting mode, simply looking at a clock will switch the active tab back to that appointment and make us lose track of whatever else we were trying to do. Everybody eventually develops this skill (sacrificing their whole day so they don't forget their appointment) after missing too many things - so don't expect your kid to be able to remember to do things on their own.

. 3. Living like this is tiring. Feeling like we have no control over where our own thoughts go. It's like there are bees inside our head constantly buzzing buzzing. And then at one point you find something that makes the bees sleep. Playing videogames, drawing, solving some logic puzzles - what it is changes for everyone, but your kid will find hobbies that will make the buzzing stop. Such a hobby will give great relief, on top of anything else a hobby gives us. But when the bees are sleeping, we are "frozen" into that tab - if left to our own devices we'll often forget to eat, sleep and everything else. Initially you'll have to ensure your kid doesn't get stuck on their hobby alone. Do remember though that everytime you take your kid off of their hobby, you're waking up the bees in their head. You may notice that their immediate reaction to it might be to be very annoyed. You'll both have to learn to manage it, but what I recommend is trying to keep interruptions to a minimum. If the kid needs to do things, try to get them to do them all at once so they can have more ininterrupted time too. If you wake the bees every 10 minutes, it can be infuriating.

. 4. Any relief that we get from doing rewarding things or from "putting the bees to sleep" are also contained to that "tab". If your kid spends a whole afternoon resting they'll feel rested during that afternoon, but as soon as you ask them to do some chore, it's as if they hadn't rested at all. Imagine like you had a clone of yourself and you have your clone do everything you don't like doing. It's kinda like that, but instead of being two different beings, your kid is switching between being the one that only rests and the one that only works. Doing the same chores every day feels more and more annoying every time we do it.

. 5. Kinda repeating one of my previous posts, but anything that is stashed away somewhere will eventually be forgotten. Things that are kept in plain sight will naturally see more use. Things may end up being suddenly forgotten too. For example if the kid is learning to play guitar and they practice every day for months, then one day they don't and it goes on for six weeks before they even remember they were learning the guitar, at which point the habit is completely broken. Habits in general are harder to form and once formed, we still need to put effort into keeping it or it may just vanish.

I could still write a lot more, but I should get going now, writing this made the bees sleep and I forgot to go to work.

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[–] meanmedianmode@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That it is not some magic fucking "gift". The hyper focus isn't a super power. It sucks, and gets in the way in all the wrong places, bills, school, career. I would trade places with anyone who doesn't have it becuase it plain fucking sucks.

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[–] AddLemmus@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago

**It's more like things about neurotypicals: **

  • They don't have an iron will; actually, their willpower is often much weaker. But their frontal lobe rewards even little things such as clearing the dishwasher right when it is done with little dopamine shots, which they crave and and seek out, almost involuntarily.
  • When they face a task, they don't break it down into little steps with superior conscious intellect. They see the goal, e. g. a tidy kitchen, and their frontal lobe breaks it down and tells them what the next tiny step is to get a dopamine fix. They are not overwhelmed with all the little things that need to be done and what could go wrong, e. g. that wiping a surface could fail when it turns out that the cleaner is in the bathroom or there is still dishes on it.
[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This is somewhat related, but i have literally never met a single ADHD adult who wasn't the chillest person ever. I suspect that a lifetime of learning to go easy on ourselves and set reasonable expectations for ourselves transfers pretty well to being patient and kind with others.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No I'm not trolling you, I literally do not remember what you asked me to do. I don't care if you asked me 30 seconds ago; I legitimately forgot and I apologize for that.

Yes I know, I should just knock it out now before I forget again, but my low dopamine levels won't let me. No I'm not just being lazy; you might as well ask me to move a mountain. That's just how difficult is for me to complete the most basic of chores. It is completely out of my control, and no amount of Adderall will fix it.

The wife and I have this argument all the time and it drives me crazy.

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[–] TheGuyTM3@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

To stop juging by looking: it's not because i have a neutral expression that i am not enjoying the moment, it's not because i am silent that i am not listening to you and it's not because i don't talk to you that i don't care about you.

Also, people often forget how hard it is for people with ADHD to make a coherent structure when writing a long essay or doing a presentation.

Sometimes, i know i have work to do, i know i have a project i'm doing, but i just can’t. It can look like i'm lazy, but even i am desesperate in moments like theses. I can understand why people don't get that.

[–] TypicalHog@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago

That we aren't content with our "laziness". I hate being "lazy," but people seem to think being lazy is a conscious choice. Another big one related to "laziness" is the fact that laziness is just the tip of the iceberg, it changes how you think, act, perceive things etc. in a way neurotypicals just can't comprehend.

[–] lethargic_lemming@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That me starting work at 2 am is not my choice, it's my brain's choice

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[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The more I read all this, the more I understand that I should diagnose for ADHD as those descriptions are just too damn fitting.

I was always sort of smart and stupid at the same time, unable to focus on specific things while being hyper-focused on something not always relevant. Procrastinating like crazy, but when it’s really bad, able to do a lot last minute.

Reading one sentence over and over again and still not knowing what it says is definitely something that did happen to me many times, I'm just focused on something else and cannot help it.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The worst thing for me when I got diagnosed was the realisation of how much of me is just ADHD/ASD. I'm very high masking according to my doctor, and now I understand why I often feel completely drained of energy. It's pretty mad...

If you feel like you have ADHD, getting diagnosed is absolutely worth it. Even though it will probably wreck your perception of yourself, everything will probably make sense in hindsight. It's very strange yet liberating.

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[–] bobbyfiend@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

It's your brain. Advice like "think of what could you have done differently" or "slow down and consider the consequences," etc. does not help in the least, because the part of your brain that does the thinking and the considering and the slowing down is the part that has the problem.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

I'm aware that I am a very messy person and I desperately wish I wasn't. My executive dysfunction makes cleaning and keeping things clean so damn hard

[–] WatTyler@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Perhaps this is some sort of internalised ableism but I used to have this internal dialogue where I'd reflect on how difficult it was to do "boring" things and a straw man NT person would sarcastically imply that "it must be nice" to have an excuse to get out of "boring" tasks.

Um, fucking no. If you think about it for like two seconds, you realise how much of being a happy, independent and healthy adult relies on being able to complete tasks that aren't immediately captivating. Those tasks still need doing, I don't want someone else to do them for me. You're left with either waiting on when the 'inspiration' strikes you, having to improvise some game or arbitrary reward structure just to clean two dishes or you just rawdog your way through the task and you feel every second of the boredom and come out the other side feeling worse than when you started because no satisfaction from completing the task can pay-back the effort you put into completing it.

That's why ADHD adults burn-out. Without medication, every day you end with a 'motivation deficit' where no satisfaction from completing tasks can cover the costs of the determination and focus one spent to start those tasks. Eventually you just 'default' and you can't do anything any more.

Stimulants to me feel like a small loan on every task. It's a fine balance but they actually let me come out of tasks semi-regularly with more energy/motivation than I started. And when you have a surplus, productivity begets productivity.

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[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 2 weeks ago

Everything, but mostly that it gets its name based on what annoys others instead of what bothers us. Attention problems and Hiperactivity are just two tiny parts of ADHD. There are other much more significant symptoms

In general the disorder is related to not properly processing neurotransmitters so everything that is "managed" by neurotransmitters can be out of whack. And some folks seem to have more problems with one kind of neurotransmitters than others.

Neurotransmitters are things like Dopamine, Serotonin, Endorfine, Noradrenalin. Example of stuff that are managed by them: Movement, control of the body, stress, sleep, attention, memory, learning, inhibition, joy, pain relief.

So, just by that you can probably imagine how broad the effects of ADHD might be.

We still don't know any way to treat the root cause effectively (neurotransmitters being "killed"). The only thing that helps, is forcing the body to generate more of those neurotransmitters, hoping that it'll process more of them that way. That works even with different stuff. If we generate more Dopamine, the body ends up processing more of the Serotonin it already produces too. That's why stimulants work so well at regulating us - it floods our brain with artificial stuff that end up "shielding" the natural stuff to let them do their job too.

That is also why stimulants can sometimes make us more relaxed or even sleepy - it's not that the stimulant itself causes that, but it let's the body finally process everything properly so it can understand that it is supposed to be sleepy.

For someone without ADHD where the neurotransmitters are processed properly, stimulants will do nothing more than stimulate.

[–] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

Communication is difficult for us. Masking is tiring as fuck.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

How fucking hard it is to remember daily and recurring tasks. Taking meds, brushing teeth, checking email, cleaning up, cooking, laundry, on top of stuff related to work.

Another one is that we are blind. Unless I expect to see it, I cannot see it. I literally dont see clutter. Only when I force myself to think about what I'm staring at do I realize there is a bunch of crap on a table. Its really easy for my room to get messy because of this. Because it hardly exists for me.

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[–] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Executive dysfunction is damn near disabling when I'm not medicated. I struggle with it & decision paralysis even when medicated. It's an unfortunate issue that I'm unsure I'll ever work through.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

the problems sound similar to "what everyone has" but they arent the same

Yes everyone struggles motivating themselves to do chores but it's not the same when you have adhd.

Yes everyone has trouble concentrating during a boring lecture/lesson but its not the same when you have adhd.

Yes everyone has the urge to buy stuff they don't need, but its not the same when you have adhd.

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