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Summary

Representative Sarah McBride, the first out trans congresswoman, criticized Donald Trump’s executive order defining gender as strictly male or female.

McBride points out that biologically all embryos develop as female until the SRY gene activates weeks after conception.

The order, which ties gender to reproductive cells at conception, unintentionally categorizes all humans as female from conception based on biological facts.

McBride’s remarks highlight scientific flaws in the policy.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Trump: "You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception."

Science: "Everyone starts out as women and don't become men until 6 weeks after conception."

Trump: "That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl."

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

He literally just wants to be the first female president

[–] WordBox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can anyone clarify how the 6wk part override the zygote being XX or XY at conception? (Automod deleted my last inquiry)

The chromosomes being set at conception seems to be the sticking point for those in favor.

[–] IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trumps EO states that sex is no longer determined by chromosomes and is now done by reproductive organs. Someone please correct me if im wrong.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're correct.

Although the technical wording isn't exactly specifying organs, but rather the capacity of the organs to produce either the "large" or "small" reproductive cells (egg/sperm)

It defines "Sex" as someone's "immutable biological classification as either male or female," but the classification "Male" or "Female" then uses the term "belonging [...] to the sex that-" which effectively means that sex is someone's biological classification as either belonging to the sex that [...], where sex is someone's biological classification as either belonging to the sex that... and so on.

The definitions themselves genuinely repeat endlessly, but even with a charitable reading, assuming that, for instance, instead of "biological classification" it was "biological classification based on physical characteristics," which is how the definitions of male/female seem to be worded, it still could possibly classify everyone as sexless, since nobody produces those cells at conception.

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[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 114 points 1 day ago (11 children)
[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You've heard of non-binary gender, get ready for its upgraded form: unary gender

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ope we're all gay now. Time to grab the most outrageous outfit you can come up with and get in the parade everybody.

[–] ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nope, you can still be straight if you’re attracted to males outside the US, executive orders aren’t worldwide

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Urinary gender???

Any of y'all wanna join the Peepee Club? Urine!

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TWO GENDERS ENTER! ONE GENDER LEAVES!

[–] superkret@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago

Mad Musk: Beyond Genderdome

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You kids are spoiled with all your gender identities. Back in my day, we only had one gender, and we were grateful for it!

[–] superkret@feddit.org 16 points 1 day ago

You were lucky! We had to share a gender with everyone in the village!
And when that prick Jane had it, it always came back bent!

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Donvict and his supporters (yeah, I know, don't blame the precious voters!) don't really understand science.

Someone should sue JD Vance for addressing Trump as Mr. President. Illegally addressing him as a man. Clearly sewing doubt in the direct orders of the president, it's detrimental to the entire country.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Its so stupid that the government of one of the world's most powerful countries is occupying itself trying to restrict people's healthcare and bathroom usage based on some poorly understood and arbitrary rules about zygotes. Meanwhile, the planet burns.

[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

It’s easier to wage an imaginary culture war than it is to try to make any real changes

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

it's a distractions and a very effective one at that.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bad headline IMO, she's more so pointing out more flaws in it which is different than laughing it off

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

"This is logically flawed because " won't really bother a bunch of Young Earth Creationists. You're arguing with people who will retreat to the baseline argument "because God said so" in a pinch. Getting into the messy details of embryonic development won't save you, because that's not how their nominations to the FBI, the DOJ, or the Federal Judiciary are going to interpret any of it.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Actually it being poorly written helps a lot with court challenge. That was one of the reasons why so much was overturned in his first administration. There was a fear that this time he'd sign better written executive orders that would survive challanges instead we're getting a lot of them like this

[–] cannibalkitteh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The truth is, they don't care how poorly written it is, they're just trying to flood the zone with stuff, and they win no matter the outcome. If it's not challenged, they have policy, if it is challenged, it occupies time and resources and most importantly, if it's challenged unsuccessfully, they have legal precident.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

it is challenged, it occupies time and resources

It also takes up their time and resources to which I say: good. Slow it all down

They'd rather be able to steam roll through it all. Make them waste time defending everything so they can't sue as much about things they do care about or move on to putting other things in effect

[–] mister_flibble@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago

This is where I'm at too. Even rubber stamping shit takes a non zero amount of time. We should be bouncing back anything that has so much as a misplaced comma, let alone shit like this.

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago

"God made me a woman at conception and changed me to a man. I'm correcting God's indecisiveness."

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Isn’t that every despot’s idea, though? Make all laws used to control people nebulous enough that they can be applied to anyone for whatever reason? Just because it’s inept doesn’t mean it isn’t useful.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We'd all better march down to the DMV and update our genders then...

It's required by imperial edict now.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No! That's where the pants pocket removal squads will get you.

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