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Zoning Reform Passed: St. Paul Greenlights Multi-Family Housing (stoppopulationdecline.org)
submitted 1 year ago by tintory@lemm.ee to c/politics@beehaw.org
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[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is good news.

The framing of the organization being called "stop population decline" strikes me as weird given that the global population is far from declining, and either already has surpassed or will soon surpass eight billion. It is true that data is more granular than that: some demographics have more children than others, which leads to shifts over time. All of this is normal and, if not good, at worst neutral. The problem arises when by far the most common voices to say anything about "population decline" or "overpopulation" or anything like that are typically using those terms as dogwhistles for white supremacy/Great Replacement bullshit.

I'll grant that their About page seems to mostly be stuff I agree with, and from a cursory look at their website, I'm not seeing evidence of white supremacy on it. But idk, the vibes are still off for me.

[–] tintory@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it was white supremacist, I wouldn’t share it. The obsession with population decline is weird, but they have gone after Meloni and Musk for being virtues signalers who cares more about culture fights than families. So I guess they can’t be all bad

[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, like I said, I didn't see any concrete evidence of what I would expect from the name of their organization, and the actual policies they support are mostly things that I also support (increasing density, investing in infrastructure, generally pro-transit, stuff about healthcare, education, allowing remote work, etc). I guess I just find it weird that they're supporting all of that specifically because it gets more people to have kids, and not because they just make people's lives better, which is my reasoning. Maybe it's my personal bias as somebody who doesn't want kids.

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, population decline sounds like a good thing to me, although I know it'd probably mean huge financial trauma and all kinds of tough problems.

Also depending on how/why it happened.

But seems like a good long-term way to attack a bunch of our resource/pollution/sustainability/mass extinction issues - having fewer kids and just...fewer of us. I mean, it can't grow forever, not sure it'd be better to deal with it at 20 or 50 billion than 8 billion.

[–] RadioRat@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I get nauseated any time I see that fucking URL - I won’t touch the content on principle. The only reasons to be concerned about population decline are sociopathic (I.e. economic power or imperialism). Like if you actually fucking cared about the longevity of humanity or biodiversity, you’d be advocating for human depopulation.